Hey everyone (and PJ),

I was wondering if it's possible to import a video and
than add an effect in the vein of rewinding it. For
example, if I wanted to show someone flying I would
record them jumping from a high place and then when the
video is rewound, it would look like they're jumping up.
Is there anyway to do a kind of rewind like this in Movie
Maker? The only practical way I can think of is to play
it being rewound on a tv then record it with another
video camera and then import it into mm2. Thanks.

Re: Rewinding Video by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Sat Sep 27 16:43:19 CDT 2003

See the Editing... Video... Rewinding page of www.papajohn.org

Actually, the 'rewinding' page is 'reverse effect'

My website seems to be having ISP problems now, so check again later if it
doesn't work

PapaJohn


"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:131a01c3853f$10df9d70$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Hey everyone (and PJ),
>
> I was wondering if it's possible to import a video and
> than add an effect in the vein of rewinding it. For
> example, if I wanted to show someone flying I would
> record them jumping from a high place and then when the
> video is rewound, it would look like they're jumping up.
> Is there anyway to do a kind of rewind like this in Movie
> Maker? The only practical way I can think of is to play
> it being rewound on a tv then record it with another
> video camera and then import it into mm2. Thanks.



Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Sun Sep 28 07:38:03 CDT 2003

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:131a01c3853f$10df9d70$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Hey everyone (and PJ),
>
> I was wondering if it's possible to import a video and
> than add an effect in the vein of rewinding it. For
> example, if I wanted to show someone flying I would
> record them jumping from a high place and then when the
> video is rewound, it would look like they're jumping up.
> Is there anyway to do a kind of rewind like this in Movie
> Maker? The only practical way I can think of is to play
> it being rewound on a tv then record it with another
> video camera and then import it into mm2. Thanks.

Hi Sunil,

I have been playing around with editing individual frames of a movie,
with a little success (and I do mean little)

It seems to me that providing you can access one frame at a time, then
all you need do is write them to a file in the reverse order. So I will have
a go at writing something to do this...I will let you know via this thread
if I am at all successful.

All the best.....



Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Mon Sep 29 16:04:12 CDT 2003

Hi there,

An update. I have had a test run of the program which will write a video
file in reverse. It was not very successfull, I shall find out
tommorrow....but I am nearly there....So far the program itself plays the
video in reverse, but there is something wrong with the process which saves
it back to a new AVI.....I think I know whats wrong...but you can never be
certain with these beasties!!

All the Best.....



Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Mon Sep 29 16:04:12 CDT 2003

Hi there,

An update. I have had a test run of the program which will write a video
file in reverse. It was not very successfull, I shall find out
tommorrow....but I am nearly there....So far the program itself plays the
video in reverse, but there is something wrong with the process which saves
it back to a new AVI.....I think I know whats wrong...but you can never be
certain with these beasties!!

All the Best.....



Re: Rewinding Video by Sunil

Sunil
Tue Sep 30 16:28:20 CDT 2003

Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see how
your program turns out. Please reply back when you have
an update, I'm sure many other people are interesed in
this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check out your
website.

>-----Original Message-----
>See the Editing... Video... Rewinding page of
www.papajohn.org
>
>Actually, the 'rewinding' page is 'reverse effect'
>
>My website seems to be having ISP problems now, so check
again later if it
>doesn't work
>
>PapaJohn
>
>
>"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:131a01c3853f$10df9d70$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hey everyone (and PJ),
>>
>> I was wondering if it's possible to import a video and
>> than add an effect in the vein of rewinding it. For
>> example, if I wanted to show someone flying I would
>> record them jumping from a high place and then when the
>> video is rewound, it would look like they're jumping
up.
>> Is there anyway to do a kind of rewind like this in
Movie
>> Maker? The only practical way I can think of is to
play
>> it being rewound on a tv then record it with another
>> video camera and then import it into mm2. Thanks.
>
>
>.
>

Re: Rewinding Video by Just

Just
Wed Oct 01 07:45:20 CDT 2003

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see how
> your program turns out. Please reply back when you have
> an update, I'm sure many other people are interesed in
> this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check out your
> website.

Update #2
I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered that I had several bugs
in the software that could not be fixed because of the basically out of date
software I was using. I managed to fix some of the bugs and re-wrote some of
the core components resulting in the ability to play either WMV or type 1
AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting the component that
saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II format seems, is just too
huge. So I have scrapped the lot.

I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and have started
reading/learning and have created a basic program for playing any modern
format video file (That bit is real easy) The next stage (playing a stream
in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and sending it back to disk in
the required format...well erm.....how long is a piece of string???

It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being bested, So, WHEN I have
sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its going to take longer
than expected though...so watch out for my message....

All the best.....



Re: Rewinding Video by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Wed Oct 01 09:35:23 CDT 2003

I'm rooting for you...

"Just a nutter" <police@nabbers.net> wrote in message
news:A%zeb.5677$504.47657069@news-text.cableinet.net...
> "Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> > Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see how
> > your program turns out. Please reply back when you have
> > an update, I'm sure many other people are interesed in
> > this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check out your
> > website.
>
> Update #2
> I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered that I had several
bugs
> in the software that could not be fixed because of the basically out of
date
> software I was using. I managed to fix some of the bugs and re-wrote some
of
> the core components resulting in the ability to play either WMV or type 1
> AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting the component that
> saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II format seems, is just
too
> huge. So I have scrapped the lot.
>
> I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and have started
> reading/learning and have created a basic program for playing any modern
> format video file (That bit is real easy) The next stage (playing a stream
> in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and sending it back to disk in
> the required format...well erm.....how long is a piece of string???
>
> It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being bested, So, WHEN I have
> sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its going to take longer
> than expected though...so watch out for my message....
>
> All the best.....
>
>



Re: Rewinding Video by Sunil

Sunil
Wed Oct 01 15:12:14 CDT 2003

Cool. Good luck. let us know when you got something
working. In the meantime I'll just use PJ's suggestion
from his website. I had a question PJ, how long did it
take to make that sample elevator movie clip on your site?
>-----Original Message-----
>I'm rooting for you...
>
>"Just a nutter" <police@nabbers.net> wrote in message
>news:A%zeb.5677$504.47657069@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> "Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see
how
>> > your program turns out. Please reply back when you
have
>> > an update, I'm sure many other people are interesed
in
>> > this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check out
your
>> > website.
>>
>> Update #2
>> I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered
that I had several
>bugs
>> in the software that could not be fixed because of the
basically out of
>date
>> software I was using. I managed to fix some of the
bugs and re-wrote some
>of
>> the core components resulting in the ability to play
either WMV or type 1
>> AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting
the component that
>> saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II
format seems, is just
>too
>> huge. So I have scrapped the lot.
>>
>> I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and
have started
>> reading/learning and have created a basic program for
playing any modern
>> format video file (That bit is real easy) The next
stage (playing a stream
>> in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and
sending it back to disk in
>> the required format...well erm.....how long is a piece
of string???
>>
>> It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being
bested, So, WHEN I have
>> sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its
going to take longer
>> than expected though...so watch out for my message....
>>
>> All the best.....
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Re: Rewinding Video by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Wed Oct 01 15:41:50 CDT 2003

Maybe 5 to 10 minutes total. There are a number of steps, but it isn't an
often used process - and until we find an easier way, it works for me.

PapaJohn

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1d0101c38858$4e38a2e0$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Cool. Good luck. let us know when you got something
> working. In the meantime I'll just use PJ's suggestion
> from his website. I had a question PJ, how long did it
> take to make that sample elevator movie clip on your site?
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I'm rooting for you...
> >
> >"Just a nutter" <police@nabbers.net> wrote in message
> >news:A%zeb.5677$504.47657069@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >> "Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> >> > Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see
> how
> >> > your program turns out. Please reply back when you
> have
> >> > an update, I'm sure many other people are interesed
> in
> >> > this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check out
> your
> >> > website.
> >>
> >> Update #2
> >> I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered
> that I had several
> >bugs
> >> in the software that could not be fixed because of the
> basically out of
> >date
> >> software I was using. I managed to fix some of the
> bugs and re-wrote some
> >of
> >> the core components resulting in the ability to play
> either WMV or type 1
> >> AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting
> the component that
> >> saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II
> format seems, is just
> >too
> >> huge. So I have scrapped the lot.
> >>
> >> I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and
> have started
> >> reading/learning and have created a basic program for
> playing any modern
> >> format video file (That bit is real easy) The next
> stage (playing a stream
> >> in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and
> sending it back to disk in
> >> the required format...well erm.....how long is a piece
> of string???
> >>
> >> It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being
> bested, So, WHEN I have
> >> sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its
> going to take longer
> >> than expected though...so watch out for my message....
> >>
> >> All the best.....
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >



Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Wed Oct 01 17:13:04 CDT 2003

"PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
news:vnlphfleurlr55@corp.supernews.com...
> I'm rooting for you...

Ha ! I will need it!!!

All the best.....



Re: Rewinding Video by Sunil

Sunil
Sun Oct 05 11:00:31 CDT 2003

I read the instructions on your site, but I can't figure
out how to convert the DV-avi type 1 to a type 2. Is
there a way I can still use mm1 because I can't find it,
or do you know of any conversion utilities that I can
use? I tried searching for some but found none. Thanks.
>-----Original Message-----
>Maybe 5 to 10 minutes total. There are a number of
steps, but it isn't an
>often used process - and until we find an easier way, it
works for me.
>
>PapaJohn
>
>"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1d0101c38858$4e38a2e0$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> Cool. Good luck. let us know when you got something
>> working. In the meantime I'll just use PJ's suggestion
>> from his website. I had a question PJ, how long did it
>> take to make that sample elevator movie clip on your
site?
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I'm rooting for you...
>> >
>> >"Just a nutter" <police@nabbers.net> wrote in message
>> >news:A%zeb.5677$504.47657069@news-
text.cableinet.net...
>> >> "Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> > Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see
>> how
>> >> > your program turns out. Please reply back when
you
>> have
>> >> > an update, I'm sure many other people are
interesed
>> in
>> >> > this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check
out
>> your
>> >> > website.
>> >>
>> >> Update #2
>> >> I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered
>> that I had several
>> >bugs
>> >> in the software that could not be fixed because of
the
>> basically out of
>> >date
>> >> software I was using. I managed to fix some of the
>> bugs and re-wrote some
>> >of
>> >> the core components resulting in the ability to play
>> either WMV or type 1
>> >> AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting
>> the component that
>> >> saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II
>> format seems, is just
>> >too
>> >> huge. So I have scrapped the lot.
>> >>
>> >> I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and
>> have started
>> >> reading/learning and have created a basic program
for
>> playing any modern
>> >> format video file (That bit is real easy) The next
>> stage (playing a stream
>> >> in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and
>> sending it back to disk in
>> >> the required format...well erm.....how long is a
piece
>> of string???
>> >>
>> >> It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being
>> bested, So, WHEN I have
>> >> sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its
>> going to take longer
>> >> than expected though...so watch out for my
message....
>> >>
>> >> All the best.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

Re: Rewinding Video by Sunil

Sunil
Sun Oct 05 11:05:17 CDT 2003

Hi, I also can't figure out how to use IfranView. Could
you please tell me how I import the clip and then save it
as .bmps? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
>-----Original Message-----
>Maybe 5 to 10 minutes total. There are a number of
steps, but it isn't an
>often used process - and until we find an easier way, it
works for me.
>
>PapaJohn
>
>"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1d0101c38858$4e38a2e0$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>> Cool. Good luck. let us know when you got something
>> working. In the meantime I'll just use PJ's suggestion
>> from his website. I had a question PJ, how long did it
>> take to make that sample elevator movie clip on your
site?
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >I'm rooting for you...
>> >
>> >"Just a nutter" <police@nabbers.net> wrote in message
>> >news:A%zeb.5677$504.47657069@news-
text.cableinet.net...
>> >> "Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1a5e201c38799$c56b1060$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> >> > Thanks a lot Nutter and PJ. I look forward to see
>> how
>> >> > your program turns out. Please reply back when
you
>> have
>> >> > an update, I'm sure many other people are
interesed
>> in
>> >> > this. Thanks for your help again PJ, i'll check
out
>> your
>> >> > website.
>> >>
>> >> Update #2
>> >> I have completely scrapped the program. I discovered
>> that I had several
>> >bugs
>> >> in the software that could not be fixed because of
the
>> basically out of
>> >date
>> >> software I was using. I managed to fix some of the
>> bugs and re-wrote some
>> >of
>> >> the core components resulting in the ability to play
>> either WMV or type 1
>> >> AVI files backwards (in reverse). However, rewriting
>> the component that
>> >> saves the video stream in reverse and in a type II
>> format seems, is just
>> >too
>> >> huge. So I have scrapped the lot.
>> >>
>> >> I have now downloaded the full SDK (Version 9) and
>> have started
>> >> reading/learning and have created a basic program
for
>> playing any modern
>> >> format video file (That bit is real easy) The next
>> stage (playing a stream
>> >> in reverse) might be easy..don't know yet...and
>> sending it back to disk in
>> >> the required format...well erm.....how long is a
piece
>> of string???
>> >>
>> >> It has got under my skin a bit, I don't like being
>> bested, So, WHEN I have
>> >> sorted this, I will post a message in the group. Its
>> going to take longer
>> >> than expected though...so watch out for my
message....
>> >>
>> >> All the best.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

Re: Rewinding Video by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Sun Oct 05 11:24:38 CDT 2003

To get MM1, take a floppy disc to a computer, any one with XP that hasn't
been upgraded to MM2 yet. Copy the executable from the c:\Program
Files\Movie Maker folder - rename it to something like MovieMaker1.exe and
put it into your Movie Maker folder with MM2.

PapaJohn

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:21b9601c38b59$cdd626e0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> I read the instructions on your site, but I can't figure
> out how to convert the DV-avi type 1 to a type 2. Is
> there a way I can still use mm1 because I can't find it,
> or do you know of any conversion utilities that I can
> use? I tried searching for some but found none. Thanks.



Re: Rewinding Video by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Sun Oct 05 11:31:12 CDT 2003

There's a multimedia player plugin for IrfanView, another download from his
website. You need to download and install it, if you haven't.

Once you have the type II DV-AVI clip, you open the IrfanView Multimedia
Player from the IrfanView menu - Options > Start Multimedia Player

Then open the AVI file in the player and use the almost bottom icon on the
left to 'Extract frames'. It'll tell you how many frames are in the clip and
you can select the specific frames that you want as individual BMP files.

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0f8f01c38b5a$78149c40$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi, I also can't figure out how to use IfranView. Could
> you please tell me how I import the clip and then save it
> as .bmps? I would really appreciate it. Thanks.



Re: Rewinding Video by Sunil

Sunil
Sun Oct 05 11:59:27 CDT 2003

OK, thanks PJ. I'll try it.

Nutter, figure anything out yet? I heard that other
people are trying to make their own transitions but it's
just too hard. good luck.
>-----Original Message-----
>To get MM1, take a floppy disc to a computer, any one
with XP that hasn't
>been upgraded to MM2 yet. Copy the executable from the
c:\Program
>Files\Movie Maker folder - rename it to something like
MovieMaker1.exe and
>put it into your Movie Maker folder with MM2.
>
>PapaJohn
>
>"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:21b9601c38b59$cdd626e0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> I read the instructions on your site, but I can't
figure
>> out how to convert the DV-avi type 1 to a type 2. Is
>> there a way I can still use mm1 because I can't find
it,
>> or do you know of any conversion utilities that I can
>> use? I tried searching for some but found none.
Thanks.
>
>
>.
>

Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Sun Oct 05 12:16:46 CDT 2003

"Sunil Daniel" <Avatar480@aol.com> wrote in message
news:015901c38b62$0922fe50$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> OK, thanks PJ. I'll try it.
>
> Nutter, figure anything out yet? I heard that other
> people are trying to make their own transitions but it's
> just too hard. good luck.

I have just realised what the instructions are (actually mean) that are
on Papa-Johns site. I did not realise that the method described involved
sending the bitmaps to the hard drive. That's cheating!!! and I have to say
that it did not occur to me to do it (seems I have taken to many idiot pills
lately)

Anyway....I can do that very easily (write a program to dump bitmaps to
the hard drive)...it now occurs to me that if the program then displayed
those bitmaps as a strip...like the old cine film idea, you could then
select the bitmaps you wanted to use, and even change the order that they
appear, and from there make an AVI file.

I am not going to be able to get back to this for a couple of
days....but I will pursue these thoughts and see what comes out at the other
end (probably something quite disgusting)

All the best.....

P.S., you can see some of my little efforts on the video page of my website
at www.the-kellys.org on some of them you can even hear my dulcet tones



Re: Rewinding Video by Not

Not
Sun Oct 05 12:22:25 CDT 2003

"PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
news:vo0hqhn0p5viae@corp.supernews.com...
> There's a multimedia player plugin for IrfanView, another download from
his
> website. You need to download and install it, if you haven't.

I found a component that would let me do just about anything I want with
a video....its absolutely fantastic...but, it kept splashing messages all
over the screen reminding me to buy it...in the end I went back to the
website and actually got my piece of plastic ready to pay for same...anyway,
we will not be using that component after all...£699 !!!! and all it is, is
a bare component that you can include in a C++ or Pascal program that you
have to write yourself....Oh Dear !!!

All the best.....