John Kelly?

How do you legally host / post videos that contain material with copy
rights; movie clips, songs, etc? E.g., clips from James Bond movies, songs
from 'Rush', etc?



And, maybe it's just a coincidence, but after asking you this question in
another thread it seems like I can no longer access your site. could you
explain that as well?


This was was in another thread, may be of intrest:

Thanks for your comprehensive responses. I now have a better idea where the
line is drawn. Perhaps there are a few experts out there that can give us
some more information as to how they've secured the rights to post clips
which contain copy written songs or clips from movies on the Internet, to be
view publicly. After all, all material gained from other sources should be
duly acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No
value is obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without
securing right to do so.



"J. Daniel Smith" <J_Daniel_Smith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23MyY%23KqEFHA.1524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> I'm not a lawyer either.
>
> If you already own the CD, then using a track as background music for a
> personal video would probably be considered "fair use". It's probably not
> "fair use" if you download the MP3 from some file-sharing website,
> regardless of how you use it (and it's questionable if all you use the MP3
> download for is to save yourself the hassle of ripping the track
> yourself).
>
> Posting on the web might be OK as long as it wasn't at a publicly
> accessible URL - i.e., you required a registration/login before viewing.
> And even then, it should only be for your personal friends - not your
> thousands of internet "friends".
>
> Dan
>
> "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:%23dfpK5nEFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> If I make a video in MM2 or Photo Story and use a famous song as the
>> background music, is that OK? Does that fall under the 'Fair Use' clause
>> of copyright laws, as long as I use it for my own 'entertainment'? Am I
>> in violation of copyright laws if I cross the line and post it on the
>> Web? Do I need permission from the copyright owner beforehand? Even if I
>> don't make any money from showing it, there is some shade of gray there.
>> It could be interpreted as being used as a means for personal gain. For
>> example, generating traffic on my Web site. I could lure you to my site
>> because you may like a particular song. Once there I could propagate my
>> message or advertise some other product or service. Just wondering;. I've
>> poured through the U.S. Copyright and not being a lawyer, it's all Greek
>> to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?
>> Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United
>> States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of "original works of
>> authorship," including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain
>> other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published
>> and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally
>> gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize
>> others to do the following:
>>
>> · To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
>>
>> · To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
>>
>> · To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public
>> by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
>>
>> · To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary, musical,
>> dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and
>> other audiovisual works;
>>
>> · To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of
>> literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and
>> pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images
>> of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and
>>
>> · In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly
>> by means of a digital audio transmission.
>>
>> In addition, certain authors of works of visual art have the rights of
>> attribution and integrity as described in section 106A of the 1976
>> Copyright Act. For further information, request Circular 40, "Copyright
>> Registration for Works of the Visual Arts."
>>
>> It is illegal for anyone to violate any of the rights provided by the
>> copyright law to the owner of copyright. These rights, however, are not
>> unlimited in scope. Sections 107 through 121 of the 1976 Copyright Act
>> establish limitations on these rights. In some cases, these limitations
>> are specified exemptions from copyright liability. One major limitation
>> is the doctrine of "fair use," which is given a statutory basis in
>> section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Act. In other instances, the limitation
>> takes the form of a "compulsory license" under which certain limited uses
>> of copyrighted works are permitted upon payment of specified royalties
>> and compliance with statutory conditions. For further information about
>> the limitations of any of these rights, consult the copyright law or
>> write to the Copyright Office.
>>
>> WHAT WORKS ARE PROTECTED?
>> Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a
>> tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly
>> perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine
>> or device. Copyrightable works include the following categories:
>>
>> 1. literary works;
>>
>> 2. musical works, including any accompanying words
>>
>> 3. dramatic works, including any accompanying music
>>
>> 4. pantomimes and choreographic works
>>
>> 5. pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
>>
>> 6. motion pictures and other audiovisual works
>>
>> 7. sound recordings
>>
>> 8. architectural works
>>
>> Use of the notice may be important because it informs the public that the
>> work is protected by copyright, identifies the copyright owner, and shows
>> the year of first publication. Furthermore, in the event that a work is
>> infringed, if a proper notice of copyright appears on the published copy
>> or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had
>> access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition
>> of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or
>> statutory damages, except as provided in section 504(c)(2) of the
>> copyright law. Innocent infringement occurs when the infringer did not
>> realize that the work was protected.
>>
>> The use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright
>> owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with,
>> the Copyright Office.
>>
>> Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies
>> The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the
>> following three elements:
>>
>> 1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or
>> the abbreviation "Copr."; and
>>
>> 2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations
>> or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year
>> date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is
>> sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or
>> sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced
>> in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or
>> any useful article; and
>>
>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by
>> which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative
>> designation of the owner.
>>
>> Example: © 2002 John Doe
>>
>> The "C in a circle" notice is used only on "visually perceptible copies."
>> Certain kinds of works--for example, musical, dramatic, and literary
>> works--may be fixed not in "copies" but by means of sound in an audio
>> recording. Since audio recordings such as audio tapes and phonograph
>> disks are "phonorecords" and not "copies," the "C in a circle" notice is
>> not used to indicate protection of the underlying musical, dramatic, or
>> literary work that is recorded.
>>
>> Form of Notice for Phonorecords of Sound Recordings*
>> * Sound recordings are defined in the law as "works that result from the
>> fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not
>> including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual
>> work." Common examples include recordings of music, drama, or lectures. A
>> sound recording is not the same as a phonorecord. A phonorecord is the
>> physical object in which works of authorship are embodied. The word
>> "phonorecord" includes cassette tapes, CDs, LPs, 45 r. p. m. disks, as
>> well as other formats.
>>
>> The notice for phonorecords embodying a sound recording should contain
>> all the following three elements:
>>
>> 1. The symbol (the letter P in a circle); and
>>
>> 2. The year of first publication of the sound recording; and
>>
>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the sound recording, or an
>> abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known
>> alternative designation of the owner. If the producer of the sound
>> recording is named on the phonorecord label or container and if no other
>> name appears in conjunction with the notice, the producer's name shall be
>> considered a part of the notice.


"John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
news:OJm%23XeTCFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hello there,
>
> Some will be aware of the excellent video's made by Weave using Movie
> Maker. He has done it again folks...the new video called FEAR is available
> for viewing on The Kelly's website. He told me it would make the hair
> stand
> up on the back of my neck....he did not tell me what the video was
> about...now that I have seen it I understand exactly what he meant....the
> message in visual and audio form is well worth experiencing....I first
> watched it using a surround system with the volume wound up.....it leaves
> you feeling a little cold. A great video with masterfully use of Movie
> Maker.
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk
> Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
> ----
> \|||/
> (oo)
> ----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------
> All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
> obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

J
Tue Feb 22 21:35:09 CST 2005

Mr. Kelly can speak for himself...

But, if I had to guess (I haven't seen the videos you mention); I would
guess that--strictly speaking--the videos are probably not legal in terms of
copyright.

This probably doesn't create problems because the files are probably small
WMVs - too small to be TV shows or movies, and they don't have a MP3
extension; thus they don't arouse suspicion. Even then, it seems that the
first course of action is simply a request to remove the offending material.

Dan

"James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:u76AWfBGFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> How do you legally host / post videos that contain material with copy
> rights; movie clips, songs, etc? E.g., clips from James Bond movies, songs
> from 'Rush', etc?
>
>
>
> And, maybe it's just a coincidence, but after asking you this question in
> another thread it seems like I can no longer access your site. could you
> explain that as well?
>
>
> This was was in another thread, may be of intrest:
>
> Thanks for your comprehensive responses. I now have a better idea where
> the
> line is drawn. Perhaps there are a few experts out there that can give us
> some more information as to how they've secured the rights to post clips
> which contain copy written songs or clips from movies on the Internet, to
> be
> view publicly. After all, all material gained from other sources should be
> duly acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No
> value is obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without
> securing right to do so.
>
>
>
> "J. Daniel Smith" <J_Daniel_Smith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MyY%23KqEFHA.1524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> I'm not a lawyer either.
>>
>> If you already own the CD, then using a track as background music for a
>> personal video would probably be considered "fair use". It's probably
>> not
>> "fair use" if you download the MP3 from some file-sharing website,
>> regardless of how you use it (and it's questionable if all you use the
>> MP3
>> download for is to save yourself the hassle of ripping the track
>> yourself).
>>
>> Posting on the web might be OK as long as it wasn't at a publicly
>> accessible URL - i.e., you required a registration/login before viewing.
>> And even then, it should only be for your personal friends - not your
>> thousands of internet "friends".
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23dfpK5nEFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> If I make a video in MM2 or Photo Story and use a famous song as the
>>> background music, is that OK? Does that fall under the 'Fair Use' clause
>>> of copyright laws, as long as I use it for my own 'entertainment'? Am I
>>> in violation of copyright laws if I cross the line and post it on the
>>> Web? Do I need permission from the copyright owner beforehand? Even if I
>>> don't make any money from showing it, there is some shade of gray there.
>>> It could be interpreted as being used as a means for personal gain. For
>>> example, generating traffic on my Web site. I could lure you to my site
>>> because you may like a particular song. Once there I could propagate my
>>> message or advertise some other product or service. Just wondering;.
>>> I've
>>> poured through the U.S. Copyright and not being a lawyer, it's all Greek
>>> to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?
>>> Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United
>>> States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of "original works of
>>> authorship," including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and
>>> certain
>>> other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published
>>> and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally
>>> gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize
>>> others to do the following:
>>>
>>> · To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
>>>
>>> · To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
>>>
>>> · To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public
>>> by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
>>>
>>> · To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary,
>>> musical,
>>> dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and
>>> other audiovisual works;
>>>
>>> · To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of
>>> literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and
>>> pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images
>>> of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and
>>>
>>> · In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly
>>> by means of a digital audio transmission.
>>>
>>> In addition, certain authors of works of visual art have the rights of
>>> attribution and integrity as described in section 106A of the 1976
>>> Copyright Act. For further information, request Circular 40, "Copyright
>>> Registration for Works of the Visual Arts."
>>>
>>> It is illegal for anyone to violate any of the rights provided by the
>>> copyright law to the owner of copyright. These rights, however, are not
>>> unlimited in scope. Sections 107 through 121 of the 1976 Copyright Act
>>> establish limitations on these rights. In some cases, these limitations
>>> are specified exemptions from copyright liability. One major limitation
>>> is the doctrine of "fair use," which is given a statutory basis in
>>> section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Act. In other instances, the
>>> limitation
>>> takes the form of a "compulsory license" under which certain limited
>>> uses
>>> of copyrighted works are permitted upon payment of specified royalties
>>> and compliance with statutory conditions. For further information about
>>> the limitations of any of these rights, consult the copyright law or
>>> write to the Copyright Office.
>>>
>>> WHAT WORKS ARE PROTECTED?
>>> Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a
>>> tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly
>>> perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine
>>> or device. Copyrightable works include the following categories:
>>>
>>> 1. literary works;
>>>
>>> 2. musical works, including any accompanying words
>>>
>>> 3. dramatic works, including any accompanying music
>>>
>>> 4. pantomimes and choreographic works
>>>
>>> 5. pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
>>>
>>> 6. motion pictures and other audiovisual works
>>>
>>> 7. sound recordings
>>>
>>> 8. architectural works
>>>
>>> Use of the notice may be important because it informs the public that
>>> the
>>> work is protected by copyright, identifies the copyright owner, and
>>> shows
>>> the year of first publication. Furthermore, in the event that a work is
>>> infringed, if a proper notice of copyright appears on the published copy
>>> or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had
>>> access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's
>>> interposition
>>> of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or
>>> statutory damages, except as provided in section 504(c)(2) of the
>>> copyright law. Innocent infringement occurs when the infringer did not
>>> realize that the work was protected.
>>>
>>> The use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright
>>> owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration
>>> with,
>>> the Copyright Office.
>>>
>>> Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies
>>> The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the
>>> following three elements:
>>>
>>> 1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or
>>> the abbreviation "Copr."; and
>>>
>>> 2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of
>>> compilations
>>> or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the
>>> year
>>> date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is
>>> sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or
>>> sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced
>>> in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or
>>> any useful article; and
>>>
>>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by
>>> which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative
>>> designation of the owner.
>>>
>>> Example: © 2002 John Doe
>>>
>>> The "C in a circle" notice is used only on "visually perceptible
>>> copies."
>>> Certain kinds of works--for example, musical, dramatic, and literary
>>> works--may be fixed not in "copies" but by means of sound in an audio
>>> recording. Since audio recordings such as audio tapes and phonograph
>>> disks are "phonorecords" and not "copies," the "C in a circle" notice is
>>> not used to indicate protection of the underlying musical, dramatic, or
>>> literary work that is recorded.
>>>
>>> Form of Notice for Phonorecords of Sound Recordings*
>>> * Sound recordings are defined in the law as "works that result from the
>>> fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not
>>> including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual
>>> work." Common examples include recordings of music, drama, or lectures.
>>> A
>>> sound recording is not the same as a phonorecord. A phonorecord is the
>>> physical object in which works of authorship are embodied. The word
>>> "phonorecord" includes cassette tapes, CDs, LPs, 45 r. p. m. disks, as
>>> well as other formats.
>>>
>>> The notice for phonorecords embodying a sound recording should contain
>>> all the following three elements:
>>>
>>> 1. The symbol (the letter P in a circle); and
>>>
>>> 2. The year of first publication of the sound recording; and
>>>
>>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the sound recording, or an
>>> abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known
>>> alternative designation of the owner. If the producer of the sound
>>> recording is named on the phonorecord label or container and if no other
>>> name appears in conjunction with the notice, the producer's name shall
>>> be
>>> considered a part of the notice.
>
>
> "John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:OJm%23XeTCFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Some will be aware of the excellent video's made by Weave using Movie
>> Maker. He has done it again folks...the new video called FEAR is
>> available
>> for viewing on The Kelly's website. He told me it would make the hair
>> stand
>> up on the back of my neck....he did not tell me what the video was
>> about...now that I have seen it I understand exactly what he meant....the
>> message in visual and audio form is well worth experiencing....I first
>> watched it using a surround system with the volume wound up.....it leaves
>> you feeling a little cold. A great video with masterfully use of Movie
>> Maker.
>>
>> --
>> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>> www.the-kellys.org
>> www.the-kellys.co.uk
>> Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
>> ----
>> \|||/
>> (oo)
>> ----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------
>> All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
>> obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
>
>
>

ed
Wed Feb 23 23:07:06 CST 2005

where is John these days?
have not seen a post in a while...
ed-
"James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:u76AWfBGFHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> How do you legally host / post videos that contain material with copy
> rights; movie clips, songs, etc? E.g., clips from James Bond movies, songs
> from 'Rush', etc?
>
>
>
> And, maybe it's just a coincidence, but after asking you this question in
> another thread it seems like I can no longer access your site. could you
> explain that as well?
>
>
> This was was in another thread, may be of intrest:
>
> Thanks for your comprehensive responses. I now have a better idea where
> the
> line is drawn. Perhaps there are a few experts out there that can give us
> some more information as to how they've secured the rights to post clips
> which contain copy written songs or clips from movies on the Internet, to
> be
> view publicly. After all, all material gained from other sources should be
> duly acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No
> value is obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without
> securing right to do so.
>
>
>
> "J. Daniel Smith" <J_Daniel_Smith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MyY%23KqEFHA.1524@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> I'm not a lawyer either.
>>
>> If you already own the CD, then using a track as background music for a
>> personal video would probably be considered "fair use". It's probably
>> not
>> "fair use" if you download the MP3 from some file-sharing website,
>> regardless of how you use it (and it's questionable if all you use the
>> MP3
>> download for is to save yourself the hassle of ripping the track
>> yourself).
>>
>> Posting on the web might be OK as long as it wasn't at a publicly
>> accessible URL - i.e., you required a registration/login before viewing.
>> And even then, it should only be for your personal friends - not your
>> thousands of internet "friends".
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23dfpK5nEFHA.732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> If I make a video in MM2 or Photo Story and use a famous song as the
>>> background music, is that OK? Does that fall under the 'Fair Use' clause
>>> of copyright laws, as long as I use it for my own 'entertainment'? Am I
>>> in violation of copyright laws if I cross the line and post it on the
>>> Web? Do I need permission from the copyright owner beforehand? Even if I
>>> don't make any money from showing it, there is some shade of gray there.
>>> It could be interpreted as being used as a means for personal gain. For
>>> example, generating traffic on my Web site. I could lure you to my site
>>> because you may like a particular song. Once there I could propagate my
>>> message or advertise some other product or service. Just wondering;.
>>> I've
>>> poured through the U.S. Copyright and not being a lawyer, it's all Greek
>>> to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WHAT IS COPYRIGHT?
>>> Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United
>>> States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of "original works of
>>> authorship," including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and
>>> certain
>>> other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published
>>> and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally
>>> gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize
>>> others to do the following:
>>>
>>> · To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords;
>>>
>>> · To prepare derivative works based upon the work;
>>>
>>> · To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public
>>> by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;
>>>
>>> · To perform the work publicly, in the case of literary,
>>> musical,
>>> dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and
>>> other audiovisual works;
>>>
>>> · To display the copyrighted work publicly, in the case of
>>> literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and
>>> pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images
>>> of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; and
>>>
>>> · In the case of sound recordings, to perform the work publicly
>>> by means of a digital audio transmission.
>>>
>>> In addition, certain authors of works of visual art have the rights of
>>> attribution and integrity as described in section 106A of the 1976
>>> Copyright Act. For further information, request Circular 40, "Copyright
>>> Registration for Works of the Visual Arts."
>>>
>>> It is illegal for anyone to violate any of the rights provided by the
>>> copyright law to the owner of copyright. These rights, however, are not
>>> unlimited in scope. Sections 107 through 121 of the 1976 Copyright Act
>>> establish limitations on these rights. In some cases, these limitations
>>> are specified exemptions from copyright liability. One major limitation
>>> is the doctrine of "fair use," which is given a statutory basis in
>>> section 107 of the 1976 Copyright Act. In other instances, the
>>> limitation
>>> takes the form of a "compulsory license" under which certain limited
>>> uses
>>> of copyrighted works are permitted upon payment of specified royalties
>>> and compliance with statutory conditions. For further information about
>>> the limitations of any of these rights, consult the copyright law or
>>> write to the Copyright Office.
>>>
>>> WHAT WORKS ARE PROTECTED?
>>> Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a
>>> tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly
>>> perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine
>>> or device. Copyrightable works include the following categories:
>>>
>>> 1. literary works;
>>>
>>> 2. musical works, including any accompanying words
>>>
>>> 3. dramatic works, including any accompanying music
>>>
>>> 4. pantomimes and choreographic works
>>>
>>> 5. pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
>>>
>>> 6. motion pictures and other audiovisual works
>>>
>>> 7. sound recordings
>>>
>>> 8. architectural works
>>>
>>> Use of the notice may be important because it informs the public that
>>> the
>>> work is protected by copyright, identifies the copyright owner, and
>>> shows
>>> the year of first publication. Furthermore, in the event that a work is
>>> infringed, if a proper notice of copyright appears on the published copy
>>> or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had
>>> access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's
>>> interposition
>>> of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or
>>> statutory damages, except as provided in section 504(c)(2) of the
>>> copyright law. Innocent infringement occurs when the infringer did not
>>> realize that the work was protected.
>>>
>>> The use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright
>>> owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration
>>> with,
>>> the Copyright Office.
>>>
>>> Form of Notice for Visually Perceptible Copies
>>> The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the
>>> following three elements:
>>>
>>> 1. The symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or
>>> the abbreviation "Copr."; and
>>>
>>> 2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of
>>> compilations
>>> or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the
>>> year
>>> date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is
>>> sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or
>>> sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced
>>> in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or
>>> any useful article; and
>>>
>>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by
>>> which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative
>>> designation of the owner.
>>>
>>> Example: © 2002 John Doe
>>>
>>> The "C in a circle" notice is used only on "visually perceptible
>>> copies."
>>> Certain kinds of works--for example, musical, dramatic, and literary
>>> works--may be fixed not in "copies" but by means of sound in an audio
>>> recording. Since audio recordings such as audio tapes and phonograph
>>> disks are "phonorecords" and not "copies," the "C in a circle" notice is
>>> not used to indicate protection of the underlying musical, dramatic, or
>>> literary work that is recorded.
>>>
>>> Form of Notice for Phonorecords of Sound Recordings*
>>> * Sound recordings are defined in the law as "works that result from the
>>> fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not
>>> including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual
>>> work." Common examples include recordings of music, drama, or lectures.
>>> A
>>> sound recording is not the same as a phonorecord. A phonorecord is the
>>> physical object in which works of authorship are embodied. The word
>>> "phonorecord" includes cassette tapes, CDs, LPs, 45 r. p. m. disks, as
>>> well as other formats.
>>>
>>> The notice for phonorecords embodying a sound recording should contain
>>> all the following three elements:
>>>
>>> 1. The symbol (the letter P in a circle); and
>>>
>>> 2. The year of first publication of the sound recording; and
>>>
>>> 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the sound recording, or an
>>> abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known
>>> alternative designation of the owner. If the producer of the sound
>>> recording is named on the phonorecord label or container and if no other
>>> name appears in conjunction with the notice, the producer's name shall
>>> be
>>> considered a part of the notice.
>
>
> "John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:OJm%23XeTCFHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Hello there,
>>
>> Some will be aware of the excellent video's made by Weave using Movie
>> Maker. He has done it again folks...the new video called FEAR is
>> available
>> for viewing on The Kelly's website. He told me it would make the hair
>> stand
>> up on the back of my neck....he did not tell me what the video was
>> about...now that I have seen it I understand exactly what he meant....the
>> message in visual and audio form is well worth experiencing....I first
>> watched it using a surround system with the volume wound up.....it leaves
>> you feeling a little cold. A great video with masterfully use of Movie
>> Maker.
>>
>> --
>> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>> www.the-kellys.org
>> www.the-kellys.co.uk
>> Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
>> ----
>> \|||/
>> (oo)
>> ----------ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------
>> All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
>> obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work
>
>
>

Will
Fri Feb 25 06:43:46 CST 2005

Exactly what part of Tokyo do you live in? I used to have an apartment
there.

Your email is clearly designed to cause an argument as was the engineered
message you referred to. As far as the person Jack The Pratt goes...I
rather think he is talking to himself again

You demand an explanation from John Kelly about why you were banned from his
website, who the hell do you think you are? so sorry I forgot, Jack The
Pratt

I guess the lack of comment from everyone else is a clear indication of how
much interest they have in you or your comments, perhaps you should try
living in Tokyo, the place you pretend to be from, with your attitude I
doubt that you would live very long

TTFN, Will

Will
Fri Feb 25 06:48:48 CST 2005

I have been asked to mention to you that your arrival back into this
newsgroup together with one other person occurred as a result of a small
trap set for the person papajohn...he apparently took the bait hook line and
sinker, It provides a clear link between you the trouble maker, papajohn and
at least one microsoft representative, very likely two

I have also been directed to say that none of the comments about papajohn
and his antics are withdrawn...they are simply delayed

TTFN, Will

James
Fri Feb 25 07:41:10 CST 2005

Hey, Johnny Boy!



Your DROSS gives you away. Got a pseudonym now?



Isn't it FUNNY how all those clips DISAPPEARED from the Kelly's WEB site
somewhere around the time of my post! What a tangled web we WEAVE, pun
intended! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!! I guess people
in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!



Well if it's not you Johnny BOY, I'll tell ya, Kelly is a dork! One rainy
day, I searched all his posts an analyzed them. 80% were DROSS, the rest
some good advice. Reply to this post if you want me to post them. Maybe I
should make a BLOOPERS page on my web site and just post them all!



Hey just before the Kelly's site changed I copied this:



You do not have permission to access the requested URL



There are a number of reasons why blocking has taken place. If you really
believe you should not be blocked you can register your complaint by
contacting the webmaster. Click here to do that. Please note than any email
from a free email system or one that hides your identity will NOT be
responded too.



Some reasons for being blocked:



1.. You said my youngest son had big ears, looked like a vole, or had a
stupid haircut.
2.. You said my wife could stand to lose a few pounds, especially if you
saw the video of her in the garden.
3.. You asked if was legal to photograph a 'mummy' in a family photo.
4.. You asked if that medal on my chest was for being an MVP; Most Vile
Person.
5.. You weren't on of the 14 members that joined my pathetic forum which
only praised my wonderful ability to "rename codec's" (HAHAHA - notice the
apostrophe! NOTE: 's' makes things plural, an apostrophe makes it
possessive. So, the question is: rename the codec's what? NAME? Of course!
But doesn't' 'rename' already indicate that?)
6.. You said that there were two errors in my latest signature and you
were sick of seeing that.
7.. You complained that my diatribe about this that and the other thing
was giving you a case of the farts!
8.. You though the 'Bloopers' link on my was going to be something funny,
not just another pathetic rant.
9.. You called my doctor and asked him to double my medication.
10.. You posted a question I cannot answer, or replied to a post and mad
my a$$ itch.
11.. Any of the above, a combination thereof, or you made me jealous.
12.. I am a narrow mined dolt with the assumption that my knowledge of MM2
really makes a difference in this world, when actually; it's worth about
1/1,000,000,000 of grain of sand compared to Mt. Everest.


Have a nice day!


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"Will Grant" <email@reply.disabled> wrote in message
news:64FTd.23197$8B3.13587@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Exactly what part of Tokyo do you live in? I used to have an apartment
> there.
>
> Your email is clearly designed to cause an argument as was the engineered
> message you referred to. As far as the person Jack The Pratt goes...I
> rather think he is talking to himself again
>
> You demand an explanation from John Kelly about why you were banned from
> his
> website, who the hell do you think you are? so sorry I forgot, Jack The
> Pratt
>
> I guess the lack of comment from everyone else is a clear indication of
> how
> much interest they have in you or your comments, perhaps you should try
> living in Tokyo, the place you pretend to be from, with your attitude I
> doubt that you would live very long
>
> TTFN, Will

James
Fri Feb 25 07:46:56 CST 2005

BTW, the post you are wondering about is from February 14, entitled 'Copy
right and Fair Use'.


"Will Grant" <email@reply.disabled> wrote in message
news:64FTd.23197$8B3.13587@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Exactly what part of Tokyo do you live in? I used to have an apartment
> there.
>
> Your email is clearly designed to cause an argument as was the engineered
> message you referred to. As far as the person Jack The Pratt goes...I
> rather think he is talking to himself again
>
> You demand an explanation from John Kelly about why you were banned from
> his
> website, who the hell do you think you are? so sorry I forgot, Jack The
> Pratt
>
> I guess the lack of comment from everyone else is a clear indication of
> how
> much interest they have in you or your comments, perhaps you should try
> living in Tokyo, the place you pretend to be from, with your attitude I
> doubt that you would live very long
>
> TTFN, Will

Will
Fri Feb 25 08:11:33 CST 2005

I now understand what John meant when he described you.

Your remarks do indeed mark you as a person of little taste

Why you are still pretending to be some one else is something of a puzzle,
or at least it would be if anyone cared enough.

Your highly personal remarks about the woman in the video clearly identify
you as the kind of person described by John

Your remarks about the video's being removed are wrong...they will appear
again in the near future as soon as John can do the work.

The reasons you give for being blocked are quite funny (NOT) I guess you
will never get a decent job as a script writer, or if you are the age your
remarks indicate you to be then I guess you will never get a job.

I don't understand your remarks about the program Rename Codecs. In fact I
do not understand any of your remarks. The speed with which you must have
written them indicates that you should have paused for thought before
posting them, or they indicate that you wrote it some time back and
therefore you confirm that your objective is to start a flame war. Sorry,
that will not happen with me.

John would have me say thank you for performing in exactly the way he hoped
for.

I can tell you one hard solid fact. The medal John was awarded was amongst
other things awarded for saving the lives of a lot of people directly
putting his own life in danger when he could have more wisely walked away.
Perhaps you can boast the same sort of thing???

On 25-Feb-2005, "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

> You though the 'Bloopers' lin

I think you meant thought ? perhaps you forgot to do a spell check in your
haste??

Goodbye Jack, thanks for making me laugh

TTFN, Will

James
Fri Feb 25 09:20:01 CST 2005

>I now understand what John meant when he described you.
>

Is John sitting beside you? Give him a big
kiss for me!


> Your remarks do indeed mark you as a person of little taste



As do Johnny Boy's - don't get me started!
>
> Why you are still pretending to be some one else is something of a puzzle,
> or at least it would be if anyone cared enough.



?????????????????? Are you sharing Johnny's meds?
>
> Your highly personal remarks about the woman in the video clearly identify
> you as the kind of person described by John



And that is?
>
> Your remarks about the video's being removed are wrong...they will appear
> again in the near future as soon as John can do the work.



Why did they disappear and why the comments about no support, etc??
>
> The reasons you give for being blocked are quite funny (NOT) I guess you
> will never get a decent job as a script writer, or if you are the age your
> remarks indicate you to be then I guess you will never get a job.



What ever..


>
> I don't understand your remarks about the program Rename Codecs. In fact I
> do not understand any of your remarks.



I have copies of your, OH, SORRY, JOHNNY'S
posts posts with the 'Rename Codec's' instead of 'Rename Codecs'..... Still
makes me cringe, how someone so intelligent can over look something so
simple and stick it in a stock sig. in hundreds of posts....Ask one of your
grandchildren for their 3rd grade grammar books, read it, you'll
understand.PRATT!



The speed with which you must have written them indicates that you should
have paused for thought before posting them, or they indicate that you wrote
it some time back and > therefore you confirm that your objective is to
start a flame war. Sorry, that will not happen with me.



?????????? I was addressing John, not you WILL GRANT! Actually, I simply
posed a question to John, asking how he secures the rights to post videos on
his sight that contain copy written material.??????????



JOHN if you are going to pretend to be someone else,
you gotta try harder!



>
> John would have me say thank you for performing in exactly the way he
> hoped
> for.
>
> I can tell you one hard solid fact. The medal John was awarded was amongst
> other things awarded for saving the lives of a lot of people directly




> putting his own life in danger when he could have more wisely walked away.
> Perhaps you can boast the same sort of thing???





Yes I can, but what does boasting really
accomplish? What are you, John's news group guardian angel?


>
> On 25-Feb-2005, "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> You though the 'Bloopers' lin
>
> I think you meant thought ? perhaps you forgot to do a spell check in
> your
> haste??
>



Johnny BOY'S friend, like I said, I've got hundred of
Johnny's posts on file.. You want to talk about spell check and grammar?



And BTW, who's that purple dancing dinosaur?



> Goodbye Jack, thanks for making me laugh



You are welcome!!!!!!

>
> Why you are still pretending to be some one else is something of a puzzle,
> or at least it would be if anyone cared enough.



????????????? Are you sharing Johnny's meds?
>
> Your highly personal remarks about the woman in the video clearly identify
> you as the kind of person described by John



And that is?
>
> Your remarks about the video's being removed are wrong...they will appear
> again in the near future as soon as John can do the work.



Of? Securing copy rights? Is he gonna change (fix) his sig.
soon? The 'V' is capped and there's no period at the end of the sentence.
Been bugging me for months now.



Why did they disappear and why the comments about no support, etc??
>
> The reasons you give for being blocked are quite funny (NOT) I guess you
> will never get a decent job as a script writer, or if you are the age your
> remarks indicate you to be then I guess you will never get a job.



What ever..


>
> I don't understand your remarks about the program Rename Codecs. In fact I
> do not understand any of your remarks. The speed with which you must have
> written them indicates that you should have paused for thought before
> posting them, or they indicate that you wrote it some time back and
> therefore you confirm that your objective is to start a flame war. Sorry,
> that will not happen with me.






> On 25-Feb-2005, "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> You though the 'Bloopers' n
>
> I think you meant thought ? perhaps you forgot to do a spell check in
> your
> haste??
>



Johnny BOY'S friend, like I said, I've got hundred of Johnny's posts on
file.. You want to talk about spell check and grammar? SO MUCH RED when I
pasted into Word, I thought my screen was BLEEDING to DEATH.



And BTW, who's that purple dancing dinosaur?



> Goodbye Jack, thanks for making me laugh



Any time, Johnny Boy's Friend.





Do you, your friends, and family still hover around the PC laughing when
people try to access Johnny BOY's site?



GET a LIFE!

Will
Fri Feb 25 09:59:45 CST 2005

I have forwarded your prior remarks to abuse at Microsoft and I will also
forward your most recent message as well.

First, where in Tokyo did you say you live? As you will see later, I will
not be here to see your answer.

As for the contents of your message, I think you are a very silly person who
needs to grow up, you clearly have a fixation that is so strong that it
probably requires medical attention...no I am not trying to be clever...your
remarks are indicative of a person in need of help. I can almost imagine you
waving your arms in the air at the same time as uttering an hysterical laugh

With regard to the messages posted by you under various names its ever so
simple. John knows about them because I have told him, he has not yet seen
any of your silly remarks.

With regard to why most of the website not being available: While John has
been unavailable I tried to add more video's from Weave and I messed it up.
I ended up posting a single page to which John has asked me to add the bit
about papajohn. All of the video's are going to be replaced. You have now
been given a lot more information than you are entitled too. I must
reinforce this part, you have NO say in what will appear on John's website,
you have never had any say in what is on his site and you never will have
any say. The remarks about papajohn will remain and be added to over time.
Nothing you can do will stop that.

The remark about something being purple, I have not got a clue what it is
you are talking about!! but I must say I truly believe that the contents of
the second paragraph above apply. You need help.

Your comments about cringing over time about grammar. Again I refer you to
the strong fixation you have.

You may make any number of additional comments you like, I will not be here
to answer them, I am assured that Microsoft will be.

TTFN Will Grant

Michel
Fri Feb 25 10:05:54 CST 2005

lol



"Will Grant" <email@reply.disabled> wrote in message
news:eDdHHM1GFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I have forwarded your prior remarks to abuse at Microsoft and I will also
> forward your most recent message as well.
>
> First, where in Tokyo did you say you live? As you will see later, I will
> not be here to see your answer.
>
> As for the contents of your message, I think you are a very silly person
> who
> needs to grow up, you clearly have a fixation that is so strong that it
> probably requires medical attention...no I am not trying to be
> clever...your
> remarks are indicative of a person in need of help. I can almost imagine
> you
> waving your arms in the air at the same time as uttering an hysterical
> laugh
>
> With regard to the messages posted by you under various names its ever so
> simple. John knows about them because I have told him, he has not yet seen
> any of your silly remarks.
>
> With regard to why most of the website not being available: While John has
> been unavailable I tried to add more video's from Weave and I messed it
> up.
> I ended up posting a single page to which John has asked me to add the bit
> about papajohn. All of the video's are going to be replaced. You have now
> been given a lot more information than you are entitled too. I must
> reinforce this part, you have NO say in what will appear on John's
> website,
> you have never had any say in what is on his site and you never will have
> any say. The remarks about papajohn will remain and be added to over time.
> Nothing you can do will stop that.
>
> The remark about something being purple, I have not got a clue what it is
> you are talking about!! but I must say I truly believe that the contents
> of
> the second paragraph above apply. You need help.
>
> Your comments about cringing over time about grammar. Again I refer you to
> the strong fixation you have.
>
> You may make any number of additional comments you like, I will not be
> here
> to answer them, I am assured that Microsoft will be.
>
> TTFN Will Grant

Will
Sat Feb 26 04:42:33 CST 2005

John has received an email from someone who knows, that you are in fact Mr.
Richard Sanchez, a person who posted many vile messages quite some time ago
and became known as one of papajohn''''s''' BULLY BOYS. That completes the
hat trick, Thank You I have to say that from the description of your antics
and comparing them to your present style that they do match perfectly Mr
Sanchez

I have just read some of your messages from way back when. I can see why you
were dubbed a bully boy. Do you realise what damage you did today to
papajohn? I wonder if you do. You just can not trust anybody nowadays.

I also note that you have yet again tried to gain access to The Kellys web
site...as a grandad you should know better, thanks for the fun, I will pass
on your real identity to Microsoft. Your most recent performance together
with your past performance will make sad reading to them, I guess your ISP
will also have a view, how say you Mr Sanchez?


TTFN W. Grant

James
Sat Feb 26 05:53:07 CST 2005

I apologize. Yes, Mr. Grant, you are right. My comments were childish and
sophomoric. What can I say?



When in Rome.

You reap what you sow.

Live and let live.

Act like a three year old and you'll be treated like a three year old..

Don't dish it out if you can't take it..

Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience.



I could go on and on, but.



And what was that about not wanting to get involved in a flame war?



BTW, if John's not too busy, could you ask him about those copy right
issues? After all, all material gained from other sources should be duly
acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without securing
right to do so.



Oh, and what happened to his site?



And one more thing: W ill Grant = John Kelly, if I am not mistaken.



Either that or he is using John's computer.





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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:42:33 GMT

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:48:45 GMT

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:58:00 GMT

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Subject: FEAR the new weapon

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Subject: Re: John Kelly - OT - nero

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Subject: Re: Splitting Finished DV-AVI PRoject

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"Will Grant" <email@reply.disabled> wrote in message
news:toYTd.23868$8B3.20920@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> John has received an email from someone who knows, that you are in fact
> Mr.
> Richard Sanchez, a person who posted many vile messages quite some time
> ago
> and became known as one of papajohn''''s''' BULLY BOYS. That completes the
> hat trick, Thank You I have to say that from the description of your
> antics
> and comparing them to your present style that they do match perfectly Mr
> Sanchez
>
> I have just read some of your messages from way back when. I can see why
> you
> were dubbed a bully boy. Do you realise what damage you did today to
> papajohn? I wonder if you do. You just can not trust anybody nowadays.
>
> I also note that you have yet again tried to gain access to The Kellys web
> site...as a grandad you should know better, thanks for the fun, I will
> pass
> on your real identity to Microsoft. Your most recent performance together
> with your past performance will make sad reading to them, I guess your ISP
> will also have a view, how say you Mr Sanchez?
>
>
> TTFN W. Grant

John
Sat Feb 26 06:57:57 CST 2005

Yes you are quite right Sanchez, I am using a computer on the LAN operated
by John Kelly.

John Kelly is not available and may not be for some time

Your details and references to your current flame war and those of the past
will now be sent to your ISP...Thank You and Goodbye

TTFN W. Grant

--
Have A Nice Day.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work

no
Sat Feb 26 07:04:54 CST 2005

This is how easy it is

no
Sat Feb 26 07:07:07 CST 2005

You see it makes no difference whether I am or am not John Kelly....you are
the one that has used foul and highly abusive words...your relationship to
papajohn has been proven. You are the one to be complained about

TTFN W. Grant

Will
Sat Feb 26 07:10:21 CST 2005


On 26-Feb-2005, "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:

> I apologize. Yes, Mr. Grant, you are right. My comments were childish and
> sophomoric. What can I say?
>
>
>
> When in Rome.
>
> You reap what you sow.
>
> Live and let live.
>
> Act like a three year old and you'll be treated like a three year old..
>
> Don't dish it out if you can't take it..
>
> Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level and
>
> beat you with experience.
>
>
>
> I could go on and on, but.
>
>
>
> And what was that about not wanting to get involved in a flame war?
>
>
>
> BTW, if John's not too busy, could you ask him about those copy right
> issues? After all, all material gained from other sources should be duly
> acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No value
> is
> obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without securing
> right to do so.
>
>
>
> Oh, and what happened to his site?
>
>
>
> And one more thing: W ill Grant = John Kelly, if I am not mistaken.
>
>
>
> Either that or he is using John's computer.

As I was saying, you are the one to be complained about. It is self evident
that once your identity was uncovered you would need to apologise. Your
problem is that the remarks this time and those in the past are so abusive
that an apology once you are identified has no meaning whatsoever. You can
thank papajohn now for involving/using you once again. Some friend you have.

TTFN W. Grant

James
Sat Feb 26 08:16:27 CST 2005

You are delusional! LOL



Don't forget to ask john about those copy rights.



You KNOW how he is.



Oh yeah, since john can't come to the computer now (HAHAHA, LOL!) forward
these to him will ya? I found these in his posts. PLENTY moron, I mean more
(grin) where these came from.



From the finger tips of JK:



There is a medical term for people with that illness where you keep
repeating things...I actually met a poor sole with the affliction...sorry
to see you have it also, Bye Bye.




Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
All material gained from other sources is duly acknowledged. No Value is
obtained by publishing in any format other peoples workI'll tell you this
quick...before PAPAJOHN decides to tell you exactly the
same thing again...pain in the rear end he is....





Hello,

Sorry, I did not realise I was talking with a complete idiot...have fun
trying out papajohns technique called a botch up...when you have made one,
I will enjoy reading your comment on how GREAT it was for you...

I don't mind talking to anyone, some of my friends do though...that's why
they told me rather than you...they are a little picky you see, I'm not.



As PAPAJOHN did not tell you how to fix this....You need to create a new
project. But first select all of the video clips by left clicking the first
one and then hold down the shift key and left click each of the remaining
clips. You can actually do this in two halves...by selecting say the first
10 clips and going back and selecting the next lot etc.



Thank you very much for adding how far wrong PAPAJOHN is with respect to
the NTSC standard...you filled in an obvious gap making my observations even
more complete.

Thank you for your assistance.

Maybe PAPAJPHN will TRY and get his facts right better next time. But I
doubt it.



Your one-stop-don't-need-to-look-anywhere-else Solution is with a program
called "Rename Codecs".

Instead of reading miles of dross that is full of maybe's and perhaps's
just run the program, it takes a few moments to identify all of the known
codecs that cause this problem and gives you the opportunity of renaming
them.



Is there a name for whats wrong with you? What are you talking about?? and
why do you find it necessary to do so without revealing who you are...are
you that big a wimp, or just a moron. Yep, thats it...a wimp and a moron



Dont bother checking loads of dross by someone who does not even know how
many news groups he posts to...

Your problem may be caused by a codec that Movie Maker does not like. This
a very common issue.

Your one-stop-don't-need-to-look-anywhere-else Solution is with a program
called "Rename Codec's".

Instead of reading miles of dross that is full of maybe's and perhaps's
just run the program, it takes a few moments to identify all of the known
codecs that cause this problem and gives you the opportunity of renaming
them.



oh deary me....

I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am puzzled as to why
you won't tell me. Why is that?

Have a nice day Mr, Wimpy Moron



Hello ther,

As you obviously fely left out of things I have given you a special award,
its already caused a bit of a laugh....





PapaJohn,

Why don't you just TELL HIM, man you are getting worse by the day!!





Still waiting for your apology................does hell freeze over, I would
not know, I don't plan on going there. I bet you are glad you posted your
little message without identifying your self....but thats what a coward
would do, don't you think? I hope you get better soon.



You want to prove me wrong and you want me to help you...you are using your
own standards to measure me...you should star on America's Dummest
Criminals...thats the sort of request I would expect to hear on
there....what kind of a fool are you.....if you are not surprised by my
reply, maybe its because you act stupid all the time and the people around
you are a little fed up with you...Go Get A Life. If you want to read the
USENET rules...go find them yourself....

Have a nice day y'hear

"Will Grant" <email@reply.disabled> wrote in message
news:1z_Td.150342$68.49648@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> On 26-Feb-2005, "James E Middleton" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I apologize. Yes, Mr. Grant, you are right. My comments were childish and
>> sophomoric. What can I say?
>>
>>
>>
>> When in Rome.
>>
>> You reap what you sow.
>>
>> Live and let live.
>>
>> Act like a three year old and you'll be treated like a three year old..
>>
>> Don't dish it out if you can't take it..
>>
>> Never argue with an idiot because they'll drag you down to their level
>> and
>>
>> beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could go on and on, but.
>>
>>
>>
>> And what was that about not wanting to get involved in a flame war?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW, if John's not too busy, could you ask him about those copy right
>> issues? After all, all material gained from other sources should be duly
>> acknowledged and if copy rights exist they should be respected. No value
>> is
>> obtained by publishing in any format other peoples work without securing
>> right to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and what happened to his site?
>>
>>
>>
>> And one more thing: W ill Grant = John Kelly, if I am not mistaken.
>>
>>
>>
>> Either that or he is using John's computer.
>
> As I was saying, you are the one to be complained about. It is self
> evident
> that once your identity was uncovered you would need to apologise. Your
> problem is that the remarks this time and those in the past are so abusive
> that an apology once you are identified has no meaning whatsoever. You
> can
> thank papajohn now for involving/using you once again. Some friend you
> have.
>
> TTFN W. Grant

James
Sat Feb 26 17:05:26 CST 2005

Will, pass this along to your friend.



Everything I needed to know I learned in elementary school. Isn't that the
title of a famous book, or essay or something.?



I remember when I was in elementary school; there was a big bulletin board
at the entrance of the school with a picture of each of the faculty and
staff. Covering the picture was a sheet of Plexiglas. More often than not,
when a teacher may have been too strict, debased a student in front of their
classmates, or assigned too much home work over the winter holiday, some
wise a** kid would come along and draw a moustache and glasses, or antenna,
horns, boogers, etc. on the glass on certain teachers. In most cases, it was
just kids being kids. But in some cases, this served as a kind of barometer.
If a teacher came into school each day to find his picture defaced, it would
give them pause for reflection. Were they being fair, had they embarrassed
someone, had they let anger seep out on the students due to some internal
strife? Anyway.



Something else, we never had locks on our lockers, actually we weren't
allowed to put locks on our lockers. But what happed to the bullies? The
kids who were being kicked around during recess would take revenge; break a
couple of eggs in their locker, take their books, etc. As a result, the
bullies would have to put locks on their lockers as a way to protect
themselves for their actions. Then, someone would come along and stick gum
in the keyhole. Sooner or later, the bully would realize that it was his
actions that were causing him strife.



Sound familiar? Think hard now!



I've searched and searched this forum, and the other that Papa John posts
in, and you know, I cant fined one inflammatory statement, one
unprofessional remark, one comment that debases John Kelly. And you know
what? His site doesn't block anybody, not a single person.



These forums are a cyber community of people, a community which has rules,
laws of sorts, which should be followed by all members in order for the
community to be 'a nice, safe place to live', just like in the real world.
But sitting in front of the computer we some times forget to be nice, or