Importing music

every time i try to import music from my music or even windows media player
it tells me my files compatible or something. it won't let me. i've been
trying for 5 hours striaght to get around it and i can't figure it out.
please help before i end up breaking my brand new computer.

Graham
Sun Mar 27 09:00:58 CST 2005

What file type are you trying to import, MP3's do not work well with MM, use
WAV/WMA.

--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
Laird of Glencairn
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com


"amy22seeber" <amy22seeber@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7F5E39B0-2F82-4932-8A5E-51C93023B466@microsoft.com...
> every time i try to import music from my music or even windows media
player
> it tells me my files compatible or something. it won't let me. i've been
> trying for 5 hours striaght to get around it and i can't figure it out.
> please help before i end up breaking my brand new computer.

John
Sun Mar 27 09:07:29 CST 2005

LOLOLOL...

Mr, Hughes...according to papajohn who claims to use MP3's all the timer,
there are NO problems with MP3's.....but in an earlier message he claims to
have used them only a few times and is unable to comment on their
suitability.

As you are aware I am sure, he propagates all sorts of lies dependent on the
direction of the wind I think...not sure about that. The point is, even
though at least one Microsoft Employee agrees that such advice as yours is
good, you have now contradicted the venerable MVPL papajohn....You've not
been listening to those back channels he likes so much LOL

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PapaJohn
Sun Mar 27 10:45:00 CST 2005

I haven't checked the wind yet today, but if an MP3 file is showing signs of
being a problem, and it's not in a project yet... then conversion to WAV or
WMA is an appropriate step.... and Graham is expressing his experience and
knowledge, which is considerable...
--
PapaJohn

Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 - www.papajohn.org
Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
.
"John Kelly" <webmaster@the-kellys.org> wrote in message
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> LOLOLOL...
>
> Mr, Hughes...according to papajohn who claims to use MP3's all the timer,
> there are NO problems with MP3's.....but in an earlier message he claims
> to
> have used them only a few times and is unable to comment on their
> suitability.
>
> As you are aware I am sure, he propagates all sorts of lies dependent on
> the
> direction of the wind I think...not sure about that. The point is, even
> though at least one Microsoft Employee agrees that such advice as yours is
> good, you have now contradicted the venerable MVPL papajohn....You've not
> been listening to those back channels he likes so much LOL
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

Graham
Sun Mar 27 11:26:05 CST 2005

John,
I don't care what you think of Papjohn.
What I would prefer, though, is that you keep those feelings and writings
out of my postings. Do what you wish to PJ's, but please leave any answers
to my posts as relevant as we can all but try to do.
Correct me if I'm wrong, applaude me if I'm right, if you wish to do so.

Regards
Graham

--
Graham Hughes


"John Kelly" <webmaster@the-kellys.org> wrote in message
news:R_z1e.6396$Ab.1685@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> LOLOLOL...
>
> Mr, Hughes...according to papajohn who claims to use MP3's all the timer,
> there are NO problems with MP3's.....but in an earlier message he claims
to
> have used them only a few times and is unable to comment on their
> suitability.
>
> As you are aware I am sure, he propagates all sorts of lies dependent on
the
> direction of the wind I think...not sure about that. The point is, even
> though at least one Microsoft Employee agrees that such advice as yours is
> good, you have now contradicted the venerable MVPL papajohn....You've not
> been listening to those back channels he likes so much LOL
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

huge
Sun Mar 27 11:31:10 CST 2005

"Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> writes:
>John,
>I don't care what you think of Papjohn.
>What I would prefer, though, is that you keep those feelings and writings
>out of my postings.

He can't do *anything* to your postings.


--
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John
Sun Mar 27 12:22:02 CST 2005

Hello,

Sorry not a hope in hell of that happening....So long as papajohn makes
stupid remarks you can expect me to highlight them in whatever appropriate
manner I see fit. YOUR solution, should you decide enough is enough is to
complain to Microsoft about his actions and ridiculous lies and give him
the boot. However we all know that you would never consider such a thing as
you actually harbour him...therefore your own position becomes a target

On 27-Mar-2005, "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, applaude me if I'm right, if you wish to do so.

I was pointing out to you (now putting in the text between the lines) that
the Liar papajohn strongly disagrees with your comments...I would say that
those remarks were meant to help you.

You can not have it both ways, even though the Most Valued Professional
Liar papajohn tries to do just that!

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Graham
Sun Mar 27 13:16:52 CST 2005

John Kelly" <webmaster@the-kellys.org> wrote in message
news:eRC1e.6531$Ab.3562@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Hello,
>
> Sorry not a hope in hell of that happening....So long as papajohn makes
> stupid remarks you can expect me to highlight them in whatever appropriate
> manner I see fit.

Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
intervention?

YOUR solution, should you decide enough is enough is to
> complain to Microsoft about his actions and ridiculous lies and give him
> the boot. However we all know that you would never consider such a thing
as
> you actually harbour him...therefore your own position becomes a target

Goodness knows what I have done to become a target, how or when did I
harbour him? Any complaints I make to Microsoft would be about your
behaviour towards me, I have no inclination to become involved in your
personal wranglings with Papajohn, unless you include me as you have just
done. I thought you realised this from previous postings.


>
> On 27-Mar-2005, "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, applaude me if I'm right, if you wish to do so.
>
> I was pointing out to you (now putting in the text between the lines)

As you once quite strongly said, there is no need to teach me the way
replies are made to NG posts.


that
> the Liar papajohn strongly disagrees with your comments...I would say that
> those remarks were meant to help you.

Regardless of whether Papjohn disagrees with my comment or not, the OP gains
no benefit from your posting. A question was posted an answer given, which
should hopefully solve the problem, this does not need any extra info on
whether papajohn believes this answer to be right or wrong, unless of course
he posted to the contrary.

>
> You can not have it both ways, even though the Most Valued Professional
> Liar papajohn tries to do just that!

I don't want it both ways, I posted an answer, if you felt that to be
incorrect, please say so, if it's correct and you feel you could add more to
help the OP please feel free to do so, but why offer something of no value
to the OP in any way at all?

And as you say, if you wish to post as you see fit, do so, but don't then
complain if I reply in the same manner as you do so to me.

Sincerely wishing it hadn't come to this, as I'd rather post a reply to an
OP and help someone.

Graham
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

John
Sun Mar 27 13:53:52 CST 2005


On 27-Mar-2005, "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote:

> Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
> intervention?

Read my first comment in THIS thread that has resulted in your indignation.
Further, the very next time you post information that is in addition to the
help offered by any one else I will remind you of your question. If we were
to take your thoughts as being something set in stone, no one would be
allowed to make comment on anything. Is this how you want others to see
your views???

> Goodness knows what I have done to become a target, how or when did I
> harbour him? Any complaints I make to Microsoft would be about your
> behaviour towards me, I have no inclination to become involved in your
> personal wranglings with Papajohn, unless you include me as you have just
> done. I thought you realised this from previous postings.

Did you even read my message that you are over reacting too??? I suggest
you go take a lie down and then read the message again.

In my book harbouring some one includes helping them with their aims and
goals. The mvpl papajohn's goals are known to all who bother to see what he
is actually doing. You by inaction in some places and definite action in
others are harbouring a LIAR and a RIP-OFF MERCHANT. In what way do you
consider yourself uninvolved???

You may complain to Microsoft as much as you like. Their bias has already
been displayed several times...or more to the point the comic actions of
two particular employees have been displayed several times...mythical
employees with crazed views on what is network aware (another engineered
remark from the mvpl papajohn) then we had the subject of cross
posting....stupid beyond belief and we also had the idiot with a
description of what MIME messages were.....I would have been deeply
embarrassed if I had ever posted messages like those.

So go ahead and complain if you wish...it might be a good idea if you did,
eventually Microsoft will have to make a statement about whether they
support the mvpl papajohn when he tries to con users into clicking a link
in here that will earn him revenue, they may also want to comment on how
qualified his remarks are on the only software to get the Microsoft seal of
approval, PerfectDisk. They may even want to comment on how he changes his
story about his experience with things like MP3 files. They might even
decide to have a laugh at his claims at being a database expert (to them)
when he produced their stats on his newsgroup postings quickly followed by
his claim that in 2003 he did not post to 52 newsgroups...he has now
discovered he posted to 63 !!!! Think about that...just for a moment stand
back and think about that remark.....He was of course very stupid in using
those stats because they showed that the LARGE majority of the messages
only showed up because ... THEY WERE CROSS POSTED LOL The stats showed him
to be a compulsive LIAR and an IDIOT, after all how would you describe
someone who knowingly lies about his qualifications, not much I would have
hoped...what then would you think when he used a set of stats that clearly
showed he was a liar in an attempt at showing that he really posted to 63
instead of 52 newsgroups????

So, when I posted my original message, based on the clear facts that he
posted on message claiming to have no opinion or experience with MP3's and
then followed that message a short time later saying he used them all the
time and that they NEVER cause him a problem....why did you think I was
doing anything other than pointing out to you that you had said something
that papajohn strongly disagree's with.......the word harbouring comes to
mind......

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Graham
Sun Mar 27 14:12:52 CST 2005




>
> > Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
> > intervention?
>
> Read my first comment in THIS thread that has resulted in your
indignation.

As I said......

Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
intervention?

> Further, the very next time you post information that is in addition to
the
> help offered by any one else I will remind you of your question. If we
were
> to take your thoughts as being something set in stone, no one would be
> allowed to make comment on anything. Is this how you want others to see
> your views???


"I don't want it both ways, I posted an answer, if you felt that to be
incorrect, please say so, if it's correct and you feel you could add more to
help the OP please feel free to do so, but why offer something of no value
to the OP in any way at all?"

I think this, taken from my last post, totally contradicts your statement,
if you feel it doesn't please explain to me how?

>
> > Goodness knows what I have done to become a target, how or when did I
> > harbour him? Any complaints I make to Microsoft would be about your
> > behaviour towards me, I have no inclination to become involved in your
> > personal wranglings with Papajohn, unless you include me as you have
just
> > done. I thought you realised this from previous postings.
>
> Did you even read my message that you are over reacting too??? I suggest
> you go take a lie down and then read the message again.

Yes, I read it.
After your lie down, and you read it again, can you please explain to me how
it helped the OP with the question?

>
> In my book harbouring some one includes helping them with their aims and
> goals. The mvpl papajohn's goals are known to all who bother to see what
he
> is actually doing. You by inaction in some places and definite action in
> others are harbouring a LIAR and a RIP-OFF MERCHANT. In what way do you
> consider yourself uninvolved???

I think if you search back through all my posts you will find no involvement
with your personal grudge with Papajohn. Please show me my inaction and
*definite* action, to how I am harbouring him.

>
> You may complain to Microsoft as much as you like. Their bias has already
> been displayed several times...or more to the point the comic actions of
> two particular employees have been displayed several times...mythical
> employees with crazed views on what is network aware (another engineered
> remark from the mvpl papajohn) then we had the subject of cross
> posting....stupid beyond belief and we also had the idiot with a
> description of what MIME messages were.....I would have been deeply
> embarrassed if I had ever posted messages like those.
>
> So go ahead and complain if you wish...it might be a good idea if you did,
> eventually Microsoft will have to make a statement about whether they
> support the mvpl papajohn when he tries to con users into clicking a link
> in here that will earn him revenue, they may also want to comment on how
> qualified his remarks are on the only software to get the Microsoft seal
of
> approval, PerfectDisk. They may even want to comment on how he changes his
> story about his experience with things like MP3 files. They might even
> decide to have a laugh at his claims at being a database expert (to them)
> when he produced their stats on his newsgroup postings quickly followed by
> his claim that in 2003 he did not post to 52 newsgroups...he has now
> discovered he posted to 63 !!!! Think about that...just for a moment stand
> back and think about that remark.....He was of course very stupid in using
> those stats because they showed that the LARGE majority of the messages
> only showed up because ... THEY WERE CROSS POSTED LOL The stats showed him
> to be a compulsive LIAR and an IDIOT, after all how would you describe
> someone who knowingly lies about his qualifications, not much I would have
> hoped...what then would you think when he used a set of stats that clearly
> showed he was a liar in an attempt at showing that he really posted to 63
> instead of 52 newsgroups????


Do you not think I'm not bored with reading this message by now? I could
probably write it out verbatim in my sleep you have written it so many
times.

>
> So, when I posted my original message, based on the clear facts that he
> posted on message claiming to have no opinion or experience with MP3's and
> then followed that message a short time later saying he used them all the
> time and that they NEVER cause him a problem....why did you think I was
> doing anything other than pointing out to you that you had said something
> that papajohn strongly disagree's with.......the word harbouring comes to
> mind......

I do not understand this;
I disagree with Papajohn,
so I'm harbouring him,
this logic then means
You disagree with Papajohn, so you're harbouring him as well?
Or do you agree with him?

Graham

>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

Rehan
Sun Mar 27 15:20:36 CST 2005

Further to what graham said... you may also be having trouble due to
licensing or DRM (Digital Rights Management) that is cooked into your music
files. It means to restrict you making copies or using your music files in
any authoring software. How did you acquire your music?

If it is DRM then you need to re-acquire unrestricted music or play these
files and record them via mic for a copy usable in Movie Maker.

--
Rehan
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker



"Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OG$kI3tMFHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> What file type are you trying to import, MP3's do not work well with MM,
> use
> WAV/WMA.
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> Laird of Glencairn
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "amy22seeber" <amy22seeber@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7F5E39B0-2F82-4932-8A5E-51C93023B466@microsoft.com...
>> every time i try to import music from my music or even windows media
> player
>> it tells me my files compatible or something. it won't let me. i've been
>> trying for 5 hours striaght to get around it and i can't figure it out.
>> please help before i end up breaking my brand new computer.
>
>

John
Sun Mar 27 15:26:16 CST 2005

Well,

Can I remind you at the outset...you asked for this...so don't think about
complaining about this or the previous reply.

On 27-Mar-2005, "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote:

> As I said......
>
> Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
> intervention?

I never said he had...I simply did what you and many many many other people
do...I pointed out what someone else has said....Is that difficult to
understand?

> "I don't want it both ways, I posted an answer, if you felt that to be
> incorrect, please say so, if it's correct and you feel you could add more
> to
> help the OP please feel free to do so, but why offer something of no value
> to the OP in any way at all?"

The OP now knows that there is a conflict between what you and I say
together against what the person who thinks he controls this newsgroup said
a few days ago as a general announcement. His announcement was quite clear
and if it were to be taken as true, you another MVP appears to not know
what you are talking about. I understand that you have seen it, so where is
your problem

> > Did you even read my message that you are over reacting too??? I suggest
> > you go take a lie down and then read the message again.
>
> Yes, I read it.
> After your lie down, and you read it again, can you please explain to me
> how
> it helped the OP with the question?

Your question is repeating......the answer is also the same.

> I think if you search back through all my posts you will find no
> involvement
> with your personal grudge with Papajohn. Please show me my inaction and
> *definite* action, to how I am harbouring him.

This is the easiest of all. Your inaction is exactly as you describe it,
"no involvement". Although he says and does many things that deserve
comment you ignore it....That's Inaction. Your "definite" action is to make
him a moderator on your personal forums!!! Is that clear enough???? I can
repeat it again if you like.

> Do you not think I'm not bored with reading this message by now? I could
> probably write it out verbatim in my sleep you have written it so many
> times.

In what way does this remark help you out???? what has "IT"
contributed....is it perhaps the beginning of realisation of something...a
kind of backlash??? Its out of character...why is that? have I just touched
a nerve? Do you think you can goad me into saying something I can't
prove???

> I do not understand this;
> I disagree with Papajohn,
> so I'm harbouring him,
> this logic then means
> You disagree with Papajohn, so you're harbouring him as well?
> Or do you agree with him?

What???? I think you have come off the tracks here. My position is quite
clearly stated in many places...an attempt to re-write my position does you
no credit at all. My earlier reply, (Which you were adequately aware of
before I further explained it) clearly shows that you take no action in
here even though you must certainly know what his motivation is and how
stupid his remarks are...at least I hope you do...but to continue....and
then you actively support his hold over everything Movie Maker by giving
him a position of authority on your personal website. I'm not sure how many
ways I can word that.

I have to say that until I was told you had made him a moderator and
thereby indicating to all that you support him, I believed you were taking
a good course of action in here....I thought more of you than you are it
would seem, as we now know about your more recent actions. Bring that
together with your out of character replies in here and what do we
have????? You do not need to belong to the local quiz team to figure that
one out.

Are you so captivated by "his will" that you will not wonder about
this.......one of his first emails to me, was where he started to impose
his ideas on mine. Implying that I should take this view or that view....It
was the start of the rot as far as I was concerned.
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John
Sun Mar 27 15:35:29 CST 2005

Hello Instant Expert.

If and its a big if the OP has problems with DRM I think he might have said
so.....I have to say your option for re-recording the music by mic takes me
back to my childhood days when I did not know any better......perhaps you
have forgotten the ability to burn it to a CD and then rip it back with
something like Movie Maker with DRM turned off. Or even record it using
Movie Maker while it is playing...connect Movie Maker to the source Stereo
Mixer and save the disk????

I know that your message is designed to promote further conflict...you
would have to be an idiot to not realise it....but what kind of person
would even try it?

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John
Sun Mar 27 15:38:28 CST 2005

Substitute MusicMatch for Movie Maker in the above

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John
Sun Mar 27 16:05:49 CST 2005

Well ,

As you are on recent record as saying you have no experience how do you
know that the suggestion is right? But wait, you are also on record saying
the opposite...that you have considerable experience....which one is
right???

On 27-Mar-2005, "PapaJohn \(MVP\)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote:

> Graham is expressing his experience and
> knowledge, which is considerable...

Coming from an outrageous LIAR it throws considerable doubt on his
abilities!!!

In the meantime your tactic of trying to turn it all into a joke...well its
not going to work is it...... How can anyone take seriously a person who
lies about one thing after another in an attempt at impressing people and
tries to con users out of money for basic tasks that can be described in
this newsgroup with ease?? ($50.00 a time isn't it) Mind you, you have
tried several ways of suppressing the information...it has not worked yet
though. Its sad I have to say, watching you try to talk your way out of
it....

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Graham
Sun Mar 27 17:43:59 CST 2005



"John Kelly" <webmaster@the-kellys.org> wrote in message
news:YxF1e.6682$Ab.42@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Well,
>
> Can I remind you at the outset...you asked for this...so don't think about
> complaining about this or the previous reply.
>
> On 27-Mar-2005, "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@dvds2treasure.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > As I said......
> >
> > Where did papjohn make a remark in this thread that needed your
> > intervention?
>
> I never said he had...I simply did what you and many many many other
people
> do...I pointed out what someone else has said....Is that difficult to
> understand?

I can understand your intervention on a post you feel is incorrect, or in
your personal vendetta against Papjohn, but again, Why did you feel it
neccessary to post as you did when PJ had not posted anything, and, as you
have not corrected me, my post may be useful to the OP. What was the use of
your post to the OP?

>
> > "I don't want it both ways, I posted an answer, if you felt that to be
> > incorrect, please say so, if it's correct and you feel you could add
more
> > to
> > help the OP please feel free to do so, but why offer something of no
value
> > to the OP in any way at all?"
>
> The OP now knows that there is a conflict between what you and I say
> together against what the person who thinks he controls this newsgroup
said
> a few days ago as a general announcement.

Why did the OP need to know this? PJ had not replied to the thread. So, what
value was your post to the OP?


His announcement was quite clear
> and if it were to be taken as true, you another MVP appears to not know
> what you are talking about.

This is a direct personal slur on my character and I'd ask you not to do
this again.


I understand that you have seen it, so where is
> your problem

I'm unsure what you mean by this. As I have only just come back on-line from
moving house, I have not bothered to read the several hundred past postings,
concentrating on ones which have not had a reply or that I felt I may be
able to add something to.



>
> > > Did you even read my message that you are over reacting too??? I
suggest
> > > you go take a lie down and then read the message again.
> >
> > Yes, I read it.
> > After your lie down, and you read it again, can you please explain to me
> > how
> > it helped the OP with the question?
>
> Your question is repeating......the answer is also the same.

I expected so, as you have no proper answer to the question.


>
> > I think if you search back through all my posts you will find no
> > involvement
> > with your personal grudge with Papajohn. Please show me my inaction and
> > *definite* action, to how I am harbouring him.


>
> This is the easiest of all. Your inaction is exactly as you describe it,
> "no involvement". Although he says and does many things that deserve
> comment you ignore it....That's Inaction.

It is very nice of you to elevate me to being in charge here, but as you
quite strongly say, nobody is in charge of these newsgroups, so my inaction
to comment on anything PJ says cannot in anway be construed as harbouring
him, can it?



Your "definite" action is to make
> him a moderator on your personal forums!!! Is that clear enough???? I can
> repeat it again if you like.

You can repeat this as many times as you wish but it will always be
incorrect. Please post the proof.

Please state my correct definite actions as to how I harbour him.



>
> > Do you not think I'm not bored with reading this message by now? I could
> > probably write it out verbatim in my sleep you have written it so many
> > times.
>
> In what way does this remark help you out???? what has "IT"
> contributed....is it perhaps the beginning of realisation of something...a
> kind of backlash??? Its out of character...why is that? have I just
touched
> a nerve? Do you think you can goad me into saying something I can't
> prove???

You already have, but it wasn't for that reason, it was a general statement
saying I was fed up to the back teeth with having to read that statement
everyday on the newsgroups.


>
> > I do not understand this;
> > I disagree with Papajohn,
> > so I'm harbouring him,
> > this logic then means
> > You disagree with Papajohn, so you're harbouring him as well?
> > Or do you agree with him?
>
> What???? I think you have come off the tracks here. My position is quite
> clearly stated in many places...an attempt to re-write my position does
you
> no credit at all. My earlier reply, (Which you were adequately aware of
> before I further explained it) clearly shows that you take no action in
> here even though you must certainly know what his motivation is and how
> stupid his remarks are...at least I hope you do...but to continue....

How about a straight answer to a straight question;
Are you in disagreement with Papajohn, like you say I am, and harbouring him
like you say I am?
Or
Are you in agreement with him and not harbouring him?


and
> then you actively support his hold over everything Movie Maker by giving
> him a position of authority on your personal website. I'm not sure how
many
> ways I can word that.

You can word this as many ways as you like but it is all untrue, so I ask
you to publicly prove the *facts* you have made here.



>
> I have to say that until I was told you had made him a moderator and
> thereby indicating to all that you support him, I believed you were taking
> a good course of action in here....I thought more of you than you are it
> would seem, as we now know about your more recent actions. Bring that
> together with your out of character replies in here and what do we
> have????? You do not need to belong to the local quiz team to figure that
> one out.

Please prove to everyone that I have made him a moderator.

>
> Are you so captivated by "his will" that you will not wonder about
> this.......one of his first emails to me, was where he started to impose
> his ideas on mine. Implying that I should take this view or that
view....It
> was the start of the rot as far as I was concerned.

I have no concern at all with any emails PJ has or has not sent you. I have
no concern over any emails you have or have not sent to PJ. I am solely
concerned with the way in which you are attacking my character, making
totally false accusations, which you cannot prove.

I await the proof requested, or a full public apology.

Graham

> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
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> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

John
Mon Mar 28 02:37:41 CST 2005

For gods sake man....

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John
Mon Mar 28 02:51:14 CST 2005

REMEMBER
=========
As an MVP, you have asked for this, I am simply replying to your request

Proof.,...

Your words....you have no involvement in the problems in this newsgroup.

Proof

You have a website called SIMPLYDV....in that website you have a number of
forums...reading through the list of moderators along with what may be
relatives of your own family (by virtue of their names) is papajohn

Or, do you wish to inform us that the announcement from papajohn at the
time you disappeared from this newsgroup regarding your new web-site was
false????

You do own that website don't you??? His Announcement was correct was'nt
it??? Or is this yet another LIE from papajohn, but this time directly
involving you?????