I know this really isn't a MM question, but I was hoping that some of you
video guru's could shed some light on this for me. I use MM, but I am now
starting to get into more upscale video editing software like Adobe Premiere
Pro 1.5. My question has to do with 4:3 vs. 16:9. I have just a regular DV
Cam which I assume it does 4:3. I have a 57" Widescreen TV that I want to
take my video footage and play it on it. With my TV being 16:9 will I have
black bars on the right and left of my screen because it is recorded in 4:3?
Is there a way to get that footage to play without the bars on both sides
and still look proportional? I can live with having the bars on the top and
bottom. Any help on this would be great!

--
Scott Micale
Director of IT
330-877-3631

Re: 4:3 vs 16:9 by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Mon Jul 18 15:02:01 CDT 2005

Take the video footage into something like VirtualDub and use it's features
to crop and resize so the video has 16:9 proportions.

Movie Maker could then keep it in widescreen format during editing and
saving...
---
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Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org

tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693

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"Scott Micale" <hrm_admin@news.postalalias> wrote in message
news:O8pRU68iFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I know this really isn't a MM question, but I was hoping that some of you
>video guru's could shed some light on this for me. I use MM, but I am now
>starting to get into more upscale video editing software like Adobe
>Premiere Pro 1.5. My question has to do with 4:3 vs. 16:9. I have just a
>regular DV Cam which I assume it does 4:3. I have a 57" Widescreen TV that
>I want to take my video footage and play it on it. With my TV being 16:9
>will I have black bars on the right and left of my screen because it is
>recorded in 4:3? Is there a way to get that footage to play without the
>bars on both sides and still look proportional? I can live with having the
>bars on the top and bottom. Any help on this would be great!
>
> --
> Scott Micale
> Director of IT
> 330-877-3631
>
>



Re: 4:3 vs 16:9 by Rehan

Rehan
Mon Jul 18 17:47:48 CDT 2005

Most widescreen TV's also have a zoom feature to enlarge the 4:3 frame to
fill in the 16:9 screen by cropping away the top and bottom edges... Can you
not use that feature?

Within Movie Maker you can convert the video footage to widescreen by
applying a static zoom-in effect as described below. First change the output
aspect ratio to 16:9 from Tools->Options->Advanced. Then apply the following
static zoom to your 4:3 clips.

The following xml code defines a custom effect for movie maker. To use it
copy paste the code into notepad or any other text editor and save it as
crop.xml in "C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX" folder. Make sure
the saved file has extension ".xml". Restart Movie maker so that it loads
the new effect.

<TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" >
<Effects>
<EffectDLL guid="{B4DC8DD9-2CC1-4081-9B2B­-20D7030234EF}">
<Effect name="Zoom Fixed 75%" iconid="33">
<Param name="InternalName" value="Simple3D" />
<Param name="ScaleA" value="1.3333" />
<Param name="InitialScaleA" value="1.3333" />
</Effect>
</EffectDLL>
</Effects>
</TransitionsAndEffects>


Note look for a new effect named "Zoom Fixed 75%" in the effects area.



--
Rehan
MS MVP -- Digital Media
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker




"PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
news:OQHtSO9iFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Take the video footage into something like VirtualDub and use it's
> features to crop and resize so the video has 16:9 proportions.
>
> Movie Maker could then keep it in widescreen format during editing and
> saving...
> ---
> PapaJohn
> Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org
>
> tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693
>
> Online Newsletters: http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Index.aspx
>
> "Scott Micale" <hrm_admin@news.postalalias> wrote in message
> news:O8pRU68iFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>I know this really isn't a MM question, but I was hoping that some of you
>>video guru's could shed some light on this for me. I use MM, but I am now
>>starting to get into more upscale video editing software like Adobe
>>Premiere Pro 1.5. My question has to do with 4:3 vs. 16:9. I have just a
>>regular DV Cam which I assume it does 4:3. I have a 57" Widescreen TV
>>that I want to take my video footage and play it on it. With my TV being
>>16:9 will I have black bars on the right and left of my screen because it
>>is recorded in 4:3? Is there a way to get that footage to play without the
>>bars on both sides and still look proportional? I can live with having
>>the bars on the top and bottom. Any help on this would be great!
>>
>> --
>> Scott Micale
>> Director of IT
>> 330-877-3631
>>
>>
>
>



Re: 4:3 vs 16:9 by Al

Al
Mon Jul 18 21:34:11 CDT 2005

Rehan, Do you actually verify these provide the desired effect?

For instance this one doesn't work as there are typos that need to be
corrected. But that's only the beginning. According to my testing it does
not restore/maintain correct aspect ratio, as it is resizing both the
vertical and horizontal by the same percentage. Sure it now fills the
screen height but in doing so the width is also increased. What is needed
is the ability to resize the X and Y independently.

Similarly for the Rotate & Size one you posted couple days ago.


"Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:%23LNM6q%23iFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Most widescreen TV's also have a zoom feature to enlarge the 4:3 frame to
> fill in the 16:9 screen by cropping away the top and bottom edges... Can
> you not use that feature?
>
> Within Movie Maker you can convert the video footage to widescreen by
> applying a static zoom-in effect as described below. First change the
> output aspect ratio to 16:9 from Tools->Options->Advanced. Then apply the
> following static zoom to your 4:3 clips.
>
> The following xml code defines a custom effect for movie maker. To use it
> copy paste the code into notepad or any other text editor and save it as
> crop.xml in "C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX" folder. Make
> sure the saved file has extension ".xml". Restart Movie maker so that it
> loads the new effect.
>
> <TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" >
> <Effects>
> <EffectDLL guid="{B4DC8DD9-2CC1-4081-9B2B­-20D7030234EF}">
> <Effect name="Zoom Fixed 75%" iconid="33">
> <Param name="InternalName" value="Simple3D" />
> <Param name="ScaleA" value="1.3333" />
> <Param name="InitialScaleA" value="1.3333" />
> </Effect>
> </EffectDLL>
> </Effects>
> </TransitionsAndEffects>
>
>
> Note look for a new effect named "Zoom Fixed 75%" in the effects area.
>
>
>
> --
> Rehan
> MS MVP -- Digital Media
> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>
>
>
>
> "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
> news:OQHtSO9iFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Take the video footage into something like VirtualDub and use it's
>> features to crop and resize so the video has 16:9 proportions.
>>
>> Movie Maker could then keep it in widescreen format during editing and
>> saving...
>> ---
>> PapaJohn
>> Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org
>>
>> tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693
>>
>> Online Newsletters: http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Index.aspx
>>
>> "Scott Micale" <hrm_admin@news.postalalias> wrote in message
>> news:O8pRU68iFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>I know this really isn't a MM question, but I was hoping that some of you
>>>video guru's could shed some light on this for me. I use MM, but I am
>>>now starting to get into more upscale video editing software like Adobe
>>>Premiere Pro 1.5. My question has to do with 4:3 vs. 16:9. I have just
>>>a regular DV Cam which I assume it does 4:3. I have a 57" Widescreen TV
>>>that I want to take my video footage and play it on it. With my TV being
>>>16:9 will I have black bars on the right and left of my screen because it
>>>is recorded in 4:3? Is there a way to get that footage to play without
>>>the bars on both sides and still look proportional? I can live with
>>>having the bars on the top and bottom. Any help on this would be great!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Micale
>>> Director of IT
>>> 330-877-3631
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: 4:3 vs 16:9 by Scott

Scott
Tue Jul 19 07:04:22 CDT 2005

My Widescreen does not have this zoom feature that you are referring to.

I will see if the other options put out there will work in Adobe Premiere
Pro. One other question that might help me understand this. If 4:3 is 720
x 480, what is 16:9 considered?

Thanks guys!


"Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:%23LNM6q%23iFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Most widescreen TV's also have a zoom feature to enlarge the 4:3 frame to
> fill in the 16:9 screen by cropping away the top and bottom edges... Can
> you not use that feature?
>
> Within Movie Maker you can convert the video footage to widescreen by
> applying a static zoom-in effect as described below. First change the
> output aspect ratio to 16:9 from Tools->Options->Advanced. Then apply the
> following static zoom to your 4:3 clips.
>
> The following xml code defines a custom effect for movie maker. To use it
> copy paste the code into notepad or any other text editor and save it as
> crop.xml in "C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX" folder. Make
> sure the saved file has extension ".xml". Restart Movie maker so that it
> loads the new effect.
>
> <TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" >
> <Effects>
> <EffectDLL guid="{B4DC8DD9-2CC1-4081-9B2B­-20D7030234EF}">
> <Effect name="Zoom Fixed 75%" iconid="33">
> <Param name="InternalName" value="Simple3D" />
> <Param name="ScaleA" value="1.3333" />
> <Param name="InitialScaleA" value="1.3333" />
> </Effect>
> </EffectDLL>
> </Effects>
> </TransitionsAndEffects>
>
>
> Note look for a new effect named "Zoom Fixed 75%" in the effects area.
>
>
>
> --
> Rehan
> MS MVP -- Digital Media
> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>
>
>
>
> "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
> news:OQHtSO9iFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Take the video footage into something like VirtualDub and use it's
>> features to crop and resize so the video has 16:9 proportions.
>>
>> Movie Maker could then keep it in widescreen format during editing and
>> saving...
>> ---
>> PapaJohn
>> Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org
>>
>> tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693
>>
>> Online Newsletters: http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Index.aspx
>>
>> "Scott Micale" <hrm_admin@news.postalalias> wrote in message
>> news:O8pRU68iFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>I know this really isn't a MM question, but I was hoping that some of you
>>>video guru's could shed some light on this for me. I use MM, but I am
>>>now starting to get into more upscale video editing software like Adobe
>>>Premiere Pro 1.5. My question has to do with 4:3 vs. 16:9. I have just
>>>a regular DV Cam which I assume it does 4:3. I have a 57" Widescreen TV
>>>that I want to take my video footage and play it on it. With my TV being
>>>16:9 will I have black bars on the right and left of my screen because it
>>>is recorded in 4:3? Is there a way to get that footage to play without
>>>the bars on both sides and still look proportional? I can live with
>>>having the bars on the top and bottom. Any help on this would be great!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Micale
>>> Director of IT
>>> 330-877-3631
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: 4:3 vs 16:9 by PapaJohn

PapaJohn
Tue Jul 19 10:27:14 CDT 2005

It's also 720x480... there's a tag in the file that tells it to play at
standard 4:3 ratio or at widescreen 16:9
--
PapaJohn
Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://www.papajohn.org

tips and tricks: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/simplyBB/viewtopic.php?t=4693

Online Newsletters: http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/PapaJohn/Index.aspx

"Scott Micale" <hrm_admin@news.postalalias> wrote in message
news:OEBeFoFjFHA.3012@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> My Widescreen does not have this zoom feature that you are referring to.
>
> I will see if the other options put out there will work in Adobe Premiere
> Pro. One other question that might help me understand this. If 4:3 is
> 720 x 480, what is 16:9 considered?
>
> Thanks guys!
>
>
> "Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%23LNM6q%23iFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Most widescreen TV's also have a zoom feature to enlarge the 4:3 frame to
>> fill in the 16:9 screen by cropping away the top and bottom edges... Can
>> you not use that feature?
>>
>> Within Movie Maker you can convert the video footage to widescreen by
>> applying a static zoom-in effect as described below. First change the
>> output aspect ratio to 16:9 from Tools->Options->Advanced. Then apply the
>> following static zoom to your 4:3 clips.
>>
>> The following xml code defines a custom effect for movie maker. To use it
>> copy paste the code into notepad or any other text editor and save it as
>> crop.xml in "C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\AddOnTFX" folder. Make
>> sure the saved file has extension ".xml". Restart Movie maker so that it
>> loads the new effect.
>>
>> <TransitionsAndEffects Version="1.0" >
>> <Effects>
>> <EffectDLL guid="{B4DC8DD9-2CC1-4081-9B2B­-20D7030234EF}">
>> <Effect name="Zoom Fixed 75%" iconid="33">
>> <Param name="InternalName" value="Simple3D" />
>> <Param name="ScaleA" value="1.3333" />
>> <Param name="InitialScaleA" value="1.3333" />
>> </Effect>
>> </EffectDLL>
>> </Effects>
>> </TransitionsAndEffects>
>>
>>
>> Note look for a new effect named "Zoom Fixed 75%" in the effects area.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rehan
>> MS MVP -- Digital Media
>> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
>> news:OQHtSO9iFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> Take the video footage into something like VirtualDub and use it's
>>> features to crop and resize so the video has 16:9 proportions.
>>>
>>> Movie Maker could then keep it in widescreen format during editing and
>>> saving...
>>> ---
>>> PapaJohn
>>> Movie Maker 2 and Photo Story 3 website - http://ww