When moving mouse WMP 9 shows buttons, I do not want that!

1. I play a movie in full screen mode.
2. I accidentally move the mouse 1 micron.
3. Then suddenly all those buttons are viewable and all kinds of
menu's etcetera.

I never asked for that! And I cannot change these settings.

Does anybody know the solution for this?

adrieg
Sun Mar 16 08:02:48 PDT 2008

Does anybody know a solution for this?

Neil
Sun Mar 16 11:30:53 PDT 2008

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT), adrieg@chello.nl wrote:

>1. I play a movie in full screen mode.
>2. I accidentally move the mouse 1 micron.
>3. Then suddenly all those buttons are viewable and all kinds of
>menu's etcetera.
>
>I never asked for that! And I cannot change these settings.
>
>Does anybody know the solution for this?


That sounds more like WMP10 than WMP9. If you promise you have WMP9 or
WMP10 on XP then you could use the Tweak_MP powertoy. Options for
controlling several aspects of fullscreen behaviour are listed at
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/tweakmp_readme.aspx

You can download the plugin for WMP9 from this page :
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/plugins_9Series.aspx

It needs to be 'enabled' after installing, from the media player menu
View -> Plug-Ins -> Other -> TweakMP

HTH
Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

adrieg
Mon Mar 17 09:24:13 PDT 2008

Thank you Neil. This question was long unanswered.
Maybe you know a solution for another long unanswered question.

How to play 24 bit AIFF audiofiles with WMP 9?

I finally have a solution for doing this with Media Player
Classic.....
1. Install Quick time alternative 2.4.
2. In MPC go to: view \ options \ player \ formats \ file extensions \
aiff format sound, click on the right side so that you can see a menu
\ choose for
quick time and press apply and ok.

Complicated isn't it, can this also be done in Windows Media Player?

adrieg
Wed Mar 19 14:29:36 PDT 2008

Can that be done do you think?

Neil
Wed Mar 19 15:51:31 PDT 2008

On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:24:13 -0700 (PDT), adrieg@chello.nl wrote:

>Thank you Neil. This question was long unanswered.
>Maybe you know a solution for another long unanswered question.
>
>How to play 24 bit AIFF audiofiles with WMP 9?
>
>I finally have a solution for doing this with Media Player
>Classic.....
>1. Install Quick time alternative 2.4.
>2. In MPC go to: view \ options \ player \ formats \ file extensions \
>aiff format sound, click on the right side so that you can see a menu
>\ choose for
>quick time and press apply and ok.
>
>Complicated isn't it, can this also be done in Windows Media Player?


AIFF should basically be WAV. You might find FFDShow supports 24 bit
WAV playback according to this page (and may handle the AIFFs)

http://blogs.msdn.com/jongallant/archive/2007/05/23/how-to-play-24-bit-wav-files-in-windows-media-player-media-encoder.aspx

FFDShow is available from Sourceforge or this site :
http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm

HTH
Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2008
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

adrieg
Thu Mar 20 13:38:41 PDT 2008

FFD show doesn't work for this and other programmers say that
Microsoft hasn't done their job right concerning the 24 bits aiff
files.

I am now completely switched to Media Player Classic.

Because of the following things:
1. Windows Media Player has silly animations when moving the mouse
even after installing the tweak MP powertoy, the bars move very
strange and it looks ugly.

2. Pausing movies does work, but the scrollbar doesn't work in these
circumstances.

3. 24 bits aiff audiofiles cannot be played, while those files are
being used for more than 10 years now in audio production studio's.

4. It always had a difficult interface with far too much
possibilities. There is no switch for 'easy mode' in such a way that
'easy mode' means that all important things are there.

5. And it looks ugly.

Neil
Thu Mar 20 16:02:16 PDT 2008

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT), adrieg@chello.nl wrote:

>FFD show doesn't work for this and other programmers say that
>Microsoft hasn't done their job right concerning the 24 bits aiff
>files.
>
>I am now completely switched to Media Player Classic.


So, it's solved then ;-) One product is not necessarily the cure to
all the worlds ills, so I'm glad you can hear the 24 bits as intended.

Cheers - Neil
------------------------------------------------
Digital Media MVP : 2004-2008
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs

adrieg
Thu Mar 20 21:42:23 PDT 2008

On Mar 21, 12:02=A0am, "Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]"
<n...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT), adr...@chello.nl wrote:
> >FFD show doesn't work for this and other programmers say that
> >Microsoft hasn't done their job right concerning the 24 bits aiff
> >files.
>
> >I am now completely switched to Media Player Classic.
>
> So, it's solved then ;-) One product is not necessarily the cure to
> all the worlds ills, so I'm glad you can hear the 24 bits as intended.
>
> Cheers - Neil
> ------------------------------------------------
> Digital Media MVP : 2004-2008http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvpfaqs


I payed hard cash for the Windows Media Player as part of the Windows
XP environment. People expect that 10 year old formats like 24 bits
aiff do work. Even if it's not one of the richest companies in the
world.

The looks are not customizable in ways that are straight formward, a
customer should not have to download a plug-in to tweak some very
simple annoying thing.

Pausing a media player and then using a scrollbar to look through a
movie shouldn't give any problems, all media players even from
amateurs have good working pause modes.

Not to speak of those crazy toolbars in Internet Explorer 7.

zachd
Fri Mar 21 09:43:20 PDT 2008


As your friend, I'm going to take exception to this.

<adrieg@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:4c947f8e-0912-485c-8074-c4a28c336b95@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> People expect that 10 year old formats like 24 bits
> aiff do work.

That's a big presumption: if vendors did come to Microsoft through official
channels (this newsgroup/forum certainly isn't one) demanding that support,
it might potentially happen. The fact that this is a 10 year concern
indicates that no vendor has ever championed this: which means that the
perception is that this is NOT an important area.

I could say I expect .lsf files to play great, but without sponsorship/mass
interest, it would be distracting to the team to go off and implement LSF
support randomly. Clearly you're not fully satisfied with the player:
adding more work items to eat up their time would only take away from doing
other important work.

At last check, the majority of users do not use nor even know about AIFF.
I'm your friend, I'm on your side, but the stats are pretty ridiculously
lopsided against the minor formats such as AIFF, SND, old-MOD, and etc.

If you want this kind of thing to happen, arguably you should try to find
some vendor that works with Microsoft to champion this feature. A handful
of end users randomly suggesting it in the news groups is unfortunately
unlikely to get very far. =\

> The looks are not customizable in ways that are straight formward, a
> customer should not have to download a plug-in to tweak some very
> simple annoying thing.

The skin SDK is included as part of the Player SDK. It's pretty easy to
use: I pretty much was able to reimplement WinAMP v1/v2 skins as WMP skins,
my friend implemented Calc.exe as a player skin... there's a variety of
possibilities here within the looks customization field.

--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

zachd
Fri Mar 21 09:45:09 PDT 2008


<adrieg@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:6490e170-d714-482f-bce6-858211f24604@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Because of the following things:
> 1. Windows Media Player has silly animations when moving the mouse
> even after installing the tweak MP powertoy, the bars move very
> strange and it looks ugly.

You have to turn off the Full Screen Controls if you don't want them. This
is pretty easy to do. It's easier to do in WMP10 and WMP11.

> 2. Pausing movies does work, but the scrollbar doesn't work in these
> circumstances.

I don't know what movie type you're dealing with where this doesn't work.
This should indicate that your files are corrupt or broken. This works fine
for me.

> 4. It always had a difficult interface with far too much
> possibilities. There is no switch for 'easy mode' in such a way that
> 'easy mode' means that all important things are there.

The skin modes might be more your speed.

--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

adrieg
Fri Mar 21 13:51:14 PDT 2008

You say it isn't important.....

AIFF is a very very old format, it is very logical to think that a
software company like Microsoft with millions of customers makes a
media player which supports very ancient formats. It is very strange
that they never did that.

But there is an alternative Quick time alternative 2.4, which
indicates that there are people who are interested in this all. But
this only works in Media Player Classic not in wmp.
So it is important.


If I turn off Full screen controls, then the bars are still to be seen
when moving the mouse.
I did the following: (It is in the Dutch language, so I translate)
WMP \ image or screen \ Options for full mode, then I have 3 options,
whatever options I choose....when playing a movie the bars on top en
bottom of the screen vanish in a silly way and when they are vanished
and I move the mouse 1 micron then those silly bars are there all in a
very ugly animated fashion.


Whatever movie I load into WMP when I hit the pause button and then
use the scrollbar....it doesn't scroll at all, but it does in every
other media player in this world.

zachd
Fri Mar 21 16:12:05 PDT 2008


<adrieg@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:938ee81e-ba24-4e6e-91d7-9f223bfa08f8@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> You say it isn't important.....

No, it would be incorrect to state that I feel or say that. I love all file
types and probably have done more to help the random requests than most.

I'm suggesting it is probably important to rationalize your request relative
to other requests/demands. There is some relative merit to any given work
request. If it was "important" enough to have some serious driver behind
it, it'd be likely to have been resolved by now.

> AIFF is a very very old format, it is very logical to think that a
> software company like Microsoft with millions of customers makes a
> media player which supports very ancient formats. It is very strange
> that they never did that.

Well, AIFF has kind of been a public mess for a long time now. Ten years of
a problem existing does tend to indicate that there just has never been any
serious demand for the AIFF field to be sorted out. (If you know AIFF, then
you know that most every player chokes on some types of AIFF content. This
goes back ten years too, which is back when I was sorting out which player
played what AIFF myself.)

Again, on face value, I agree that it'd be great to see this work. Given
quantification of usage, you and I and the eight other people who use AIFF
seriously can all form a small drinking club to mourn the decay of AIFF over
the years.

This isn't going to get us anywhere. Find some serious vendor who agrees
with you and have them talk to MS. Neither you nor I have enough leverage
independently to change this.

> If I turn off Full screen controls, then the bars are still to be seen
> when moving the mouse.

What specific bars are you referring to? If you're referring to the
Full-screen controls, if you have turned those off (and there are two
buttons to do this - one for normal video, one for DVD video), they won't
show up.

This works perfectly for me using WMP11. You're using a very old version of
the player. It should work fine there. If you're seeing the bars at all,
you haven't turned off the full screen controls. =)

> Whatever movie I load into WMP when I hit the pause button and then
> use the scrollbar....it doesn't scroll at all, but it does in every
> other media player in this world.

I just did that in my player with a random WMV file and a random MPEG file
and a random AVI file in WMP11.

So, I'm not sure what you're referring to. It works fine with the current
version. Perhaps you should update.

But you didn't supply any data as regards what "doesn't scroll" precisely
means. If you can't move within the clip/file, that should indicate that
the clip is bogus. Other players can do random things with bogus/broken
clips, but it's not necessarily a rational choice. =)

-Zach
--
Speaking for myself only.
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

adrieg
Fri Mar 21 19:54:55 PDT 2008



You say there isn't any serious demand. But why do you think there are
more players that can play this format?

Media Player Classic can do it with the Quick Time Alternative. I
don't think it so difficult to make it possible that Quick time can be
loaded and used in WMP.
Foobar can do it.
Winamp can do it.
But the richest company of all the world cannot write a 24 bit aiff
codec. It's just a company that is after your money and don't care for
their customers.



In fact I have given up totally now on WMP I don't have any trust in
updates too. I have tried it ones to install a higher version it was
very complicated, you don't have to explain that it is possible. But
to answer your questions.

These are those bars I am talking about. (better see the movie too)
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/Uploader_2008/windowsmediaplayerbarsontopandbotto.jpg

I think when the 2 bars are not to be seen anymore that there is no
way to pause movies with the help of the mouse. Try MPC and you'll see
the relaxing environment. You only have to press the mouse to pause
without any problems.

I must confess that some movies actually can pause and that you scroll
to the movie with the fast transport object. I mean the green/white
thing that you could call a fast transport object.

zachd
Fri Mar 21 22:58:26 PDT 2008


<adrieg@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:9619171c-f17c-4268-aa51-770147c8f039@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> You say there isn't any serious demand. But why do you think there are
> more players that can play this format?

Just because they sell bacon donuts doesn't mean there's a massive demand
for bacon donuts. There's a lot of things that do a lot of things, and it
doesn't mean that everything has to be everything. Let's skip this
conversation. Assume we're on the same "side".

> But the richest company of all the world cannot write a 24 bit aiff
> codec. It's just a company that is after your money and don't care for
> their customers.

You've stated that you're not perfectly happy with the existing player
implementation, but yet you want to distract the team to go off and
implement 24 bit aiff support with just you and a handful of people asking
for it, with no major backing for this demand whatsoever?

That seems counter-productive to excellence. I would counter-suggest that
there are many more of "their customers" than they are of "24 bit aiff
enthusiasts", and that you're looking at it through a extremely narrow
viewpoint centered upon your personal concerns and not that of the majority
of "customers"/end users.

You keep mistaking me for being against this or something. Assume that it
would be interesting to me for this to happen, but that you need to actually
go further than "I want this and thus this must happen" if you want to
provide a compelling implementation argument. I've actually previously gone
through this very investigation: 24 bit aiff just is not very popular,
sorry. If you want to disprove that, point to statistics or massive 24 bit
aiff enthusiast groups. Otherwise, this is pretty much a dead conversation
and I feel your pain. =)

> In fact I have given up totally now on WMP I don't have any trust in
> updates too. I have tried it ones to install a higher version it was
> very complicated, you don't have to explain that it is possible. But
> to answer your questions.

How was it complicated? This confuses me. WMP11 I believe requires five
clicks to install, or something similar. It's a pretty "easy mode"
installer. =)

> These are those bars I am talking about. (better see the movie too)
> http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii141/Uploader_2008/windowsmediaplayerbarsontopandbotto.jpg

Yes, according to that you clearly have not turned off the full screen
controls.

> I think when the 2 bars are not to be seen anymore that there is no
> way to pause movies with the help of the mouse. Try MPC and you'll see
> the relaxing environment. You only have to press the mouse to pause
> without any problems.

Yes, I have a multimedia keyboard and MCX remotes for this functionality. I
believe WMP11 defaults to pause on click, which again probably points out
that most of what you're asking for was done a while ago, but you're using a
four year old version anyways, and I doubt that many people even from the
player team can remember allllll the way back then. =)

> I must confess that some movies actually can pause and that you scroll
> to the movie with the fast transport object. I mean the green/white
> thing that you could call a fast transport object.

Scrubbing or that kind of thing. That's a more interesting conversation
technically speaking, but -- again, you're supposedly using WMP9, and that's
really not at all compelling to discuss the shortcomings of WMP9. It's
really old and most of that was fixed up.

Cheers,
-Zach
--
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See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

adrieg
Sat Mar 22 16:07:46 PDT 2008

> there are many more of "their customers" than they are of "24 bit aiff
> enthusiasts", and that you're looking at it through a extremely narrow
> viewpoint centered upon your personal concerns and not that of the majorit=
y
> of "customers"/end users.

I am a customer too, and I have the right to demand that files from a
previous very popular format like aiff can play on a media player as
part of a few hundred dollar package. At least delivering the 24 bit
codec within 10 years.


> How was it complicated? =A0This confuses me. =A0WMP11 I believe requires
> five
> clicks to install, or something similar. =A0It's a pretty "easy mode"
> installer. =A0=3D)

As every installation for windows products the installation is
difficult,
I remember 1 year ago installing version 11 or so, and it couldn't
even play normally on 2 computers. No pictures at all or strange
stuttering views.