I have just acquired a CD by the Swedish group Anglagard, except the
first letter is an A-umlaut and the second "a" is an a-ring.

In my "Songs" display, albums are listed alphabetically by artist, with
Anglagard falling between Andreas Vollenweider and Anonymous 4. This
seems right to me.

However, in the "Artist" display, Anglagard is in a section all by itself.

I don't know the relative merits of these two approaches; I'd need to
get the opinion of someone Swedish, but they are certainly inconsistent.

--
Steve Swift
http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

Re: Inconsistent Artist display order by Wilkes

Wilkes
Tue Apr 01 07:57:37 PDT 2008

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Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds =
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and then doing the sort.

When doing the sort for Songs the pr-sort filter has probably converted =
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remains a =C4 and is treated as a different character than just A. I =
believe this would put =C4 in the Artist display between the A's and the =
B's. The sort value for just A is 0x0041 but =C4 is 0x00C4.

Just my 2=A2

Wilkes

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Re: Inconsistent Artist display order by Swifty

Swifty
Wed Apr 02 11:26:13 PDT 2008

Wilkes wrote:
> Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds
> like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that
> they don't do when displaying Artists. Probably converting Ä to just A
> and then doing the sort.

Yes, I agree. I mentions Swedish input only because it occurred to me
that I have no idea if Ä should be included *with* the "A"s, come before
them, come after them, or come somewhere else entirely.

All I do know is that appearing differently in two panes of the same
application is almost certainly wrong.

However, I've been proven wrong myself often enough that I still apply a
liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg

--
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http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
http://www.ringers.org.uk

Re: Inconsistent Artist display order by Wilkes

Wilkes
Thu Apr 03 07:34:48 PDT 2008

Of course the right answer is "it depends" (speaking of weaseling). I think
it should be dependant on the language your PC is set to rather than what
language the word is from. I'm thinking this way because if you set your PC
to English I don't think it can really tell the origin language of a given
word.

For a description of collating sequences see;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collating_sequence

Since the PC doesn't change languages when displaying Songs or Artists in
WMP11 I believe WMP should show things in the same order in both the Song
and Artist display.

Wilkes

"Swifty" <Steve.J.Swift@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wilkes wrote:
>> Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds
>> like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that
>> they don't do when displaying Artists. Probably converting Ä to just A
>> and then doing the sort.
>
> Yes, I agree. I mentions Swedish input only because it occurred to me that
> I have no idea if Ä should be included *with* the "A"s, come before them,
> come after them, or come somewhere else entirely.
>
> All I do know is that appearing differently in two panes of the same
> application is almost certainly wrong.
>
> However, I've been proven wrong myself often enough that I still apply a
> liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
> See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg
>
> --
> Steve Swift
> http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
> http://www.ringers.org.uk



Re: Inconsistent Artist display order by Vincent

Vincent
Thu Apr 03 15:48:01 PDT 2008

In the advanced tag editor is an option to choose a language.
Slightest ID if this helps

"Wilkes" wrote:

> Of course the right answer is "it depends" (speaking of weaseling). I think
> it should be dependant on the language your PC is set to rather than what
> language the word is from. I'm thinking this way because if you set your PC
> to English I don't think it can really tell the origin language of a given
> word.
>
> For a description of collating sequences see;
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collating_sequence
>
> Since the PC doesn't change languages when displaying Songs or Artists in
> WMP11 I believe WMP should show things in the same order in both the Song
> and Artist display.
>
> Wilkes
>
> "Swifty" <Steve.J.Swift@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eqH5S8OlIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Wilkes wrote:
> >> Don't know that being Swedish has any bearing on the sorting. It sounds
> >> like MS is probably doing some pre-sort filtering when doing Songs that
> >> they don't do when displaying Artists. Probably converting Ã? to just A
> >> and then doing the sort.
> >
> > Yes, I agree. I mentions Swedish input only because it occurred to me that
> > I have no idea if Ã? should be included *with* the "A"s, come before them,
> > come after them, or come somewhere else entirely.
> >
> > All I do know is that appearing differently in two panes of the same
> > application is almost certainly wrong.
> >
> > However, I've been proven wrong myself often enough that I still apply a
> > liberal helping of "weasel words" such as "almost".
> > See http://swiftys.org.uk/images/weasels.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Steve Swift
> > http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
> > http://www.ringers.org.uk
>
>
>

Re: Inconsistent Artist display order by zachd

zachd
Thu May 01 01:23:49 PDT 2008


I swore I responded to this recently, maybe under the guise of the Swedish
V/W discussion. If I recall correctly, it's simply a difference in the Sort
vs alphabetize calls as noted and there's naught to be done that I'm aware
of there.

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"Swifty" <Steve.J.Swift@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:evYmjO7kIHA.1368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I have just acquired a CD by the Swedish group Anglagard, except the first
>letter is an A-umlaut and the second "a" is an a-ring.
>
> In my "Songs" display, albums are listed alphabetically by artist, with
> Anglagard falling between Andreas Vollenweider and Anonymous 4. This seems
> right to me.
>
> However, in the "Artist" display, Anglagard is in a section all by itself.
>
> I don't know the relative merits of these two approaches; I'd need to get
> the opinion of someone Swedish, but they are certainly inconsistent.
>
> --
> Steve Swift
> http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html
> http://www.ringers.org.uk