I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is used
as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC. I'm
quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with using
the PC.

I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista Home
premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?

Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by David

David
Mon Nov 05 10:38:09 PST 2007

The only thing stopping you is that Vista Upgrades aren't available in an
OEM license AFAIK, only retail.
If I'm wrong I'll be corrected.

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"Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is
>used
> as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC. I'm
> quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with
> using
> the PC.
>
> I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
> functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista Home
> premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?


Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by EricBaines

EricBaines
Tue Nov 06 03:35:01 PST 2007

OK - you may be right. Maybe I asked the wrong question.

In the UK, the retail price for Vista Home Premium Upgrade is £149.99. This
despite the fact that it is also $149, and £1=$2.06. Nobody in the UK can see
this and not feel they are being ripped off.

I have been watrching the price fall for the upgrade, and the cheapest I saw
it was £120. However, I looked today and Amazon seem to be selling it for
£97.48 -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B000KCIA00/ref=sr_1_5/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348277&sr=1-5
- Still too much, but getting better.

However, their OEM version (full version, not upgrade - you are correct)
seems to be only £65.98 -
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Home-Premium/dp/B000MFDJ1A/ref=sr_1_1/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348539&sr=1-1
- about a third off their upgrade price, and much more the price you would
expect with the current exchange rate.

So, I wondered. Is there any reason at all why I should buy the more
expensive upgrade - or is the OEM version perfectly acceptable?

"David B." wrote:

> The only thing stopping you is that Vista Upgrades aren't available in an
> OEM license AFAIK, only retail.
> If I'm wrong I'll be corrected.
>
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> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:868E9213-EE00-4DA8-8769-88D40E0DB6B6@microsoft.com...
> >I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is
> >used
> > as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC. I'm
> > quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with
> > using
> > the PC.
> >
> > I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
> > functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista Home
> > premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?
>
>

Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by dickm

dickm
Wed Nov 07 13:51:24 PST 2007

I just installed Vista Home Premium OEM and unless I did something wrong, it
only gave me a 3 day activation period. At the end of 3 days it
auto-activated, it didnt even wait for me to tell it to activate, it just
went ahead and did it.

3 days wasnt enough time for me to work out all the install bugs. I normally
end up doing multiple installs trying different things. I wish I'd have
known that before hand.


-dickm


"Eric Baines" wrote:

> OK - you may be right. Maybe I asked the wrong question.
>
> In the UK, the retail price for Vista Home Premium Upgrade is £149.99. This
> despite the fact that it is also $149, and £1=$2.06. Nobody in the UK can see
> this and not feel they are being ripped off.
>
> I have been watrching the price fall for the upgrade, and the cheapest I saw
> it was £120. However, I looked today and Amazon seem to be selling it for
> £97.48 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B000KCIA00/ref=sr_1_5/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348277&sr=1-5
> - Still too much, but getting better.
>
> However, their OEM version (full version, not upgrade - you are correct)
> seems to be only £65.98 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Home-Premium/dp/B000MFDJ1A/ref=sr_1_1/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348539&sr=1-1
> - about a third off their upgrade price, and much more the price you would
> expect with the current exchange rate.
>
> So, I wondered. Is there any reason at all why I should buy the more
> expensive upgrade - or is the OEM version perfectly acceptable?
>
> "David B." wrote:
>
> > The only thing stopping you is that Vista Upgrades aren't available in an
> > OEM license AFAIK, only retail.
> > If I'm wrong I'll be corrected.
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:868E9213-EE00-4DA8-8769-88D40E0DB6B6@microsoft.com...
> > >I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is
> > >used
> > > as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC. I'm
> > > quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with
> > > using
> > > the PC.
> > >
> > > I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
> > > functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista Home
> > > premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?
> >
> >

Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by David

David
Wed Nov 07 13:59:42 PST 2007

As long as you are doing a clean install (OEM won't do an upgrade) and your
comfortable supporting yourself (Microsoft doesn't provide support for the
OEM version), the OEM would be fine.

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"Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> OK - you may be right. Maybe I asked the wrong question.
>
> In the UK, the retail price for Vista Home Premium Upgrade is £149.99.
> This
> despite the fact that it is also $149, and £1=$2.06. Nobody in the UK can
> see
> this and not feel they are being ripped off.
>
> I have been watrching the price fall for the upgrade, and the cheapest I
> saw
> it was £120. However, I looked today and Amazon seem to be selling it for
> £97.48 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B000KCIA00/ref=sr_1_5/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348277&sr=1-5
> - Still too much, but getting better.
>
> However, their OEM version (full version, not upgrade - you are correct)
> seems to be only £65.98 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Home-Premium/dp/B000MFDJ1A/ref=sr_1_1/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348539&sr=1-1
> - about a third off their upgrade price, and much more the price you would
> expect with the current exchange rate.
>
> So, I wondered. Is there any reason at all why I should buy the more
> expensive upgrade - or is the OEM version perfectly acceptable?
>
> "David B." wrote:
>
>> The only thing stopping you is that Vista Upgrades aren't available in an
>> OEM license AFAIK, only retail.
>> If I'm wrong I'll be corrected.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ----
>> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>> How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> _________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:868E9213-EE00-4DA8-8769-88D40E0DB6B6@microsoft.com...
>> >I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is
>> >used
>> > as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC.
>> > I'm
>> > quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with
>> > using
>> > the PC.
>> >
>> > I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
>> > functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista
>> > Home
>> > premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?
>>
>>


Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by RalfG

RalfG
Wed Nov 07 14:19:36 PST 2007

I would consider that pricing a rip-off too. The Vista Home Premium upgrade
retail price here is $180.Can., give or take a few cents. Despite our dollar
being $1.10US at the moment. Mind we don't have VAT or who knows what all
trade tariffs to contend with, if any. No knowing how many middlemen are
involved in the UK distribution chain either.

I haven't experienced it but it occurs to me that the OEM version of Vista
might require a clean installation and not allow you to "upgrade" your
existing OS. It means reinstalling all of your other software as well as
the OS. Either way you'll have to source Vista compatible drivers for all of
your existing hardware, including the motherboard chipset drivers.

"Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6118233E-1C4A-49AB-8812-8CDDFC875296@microsoft.com...
> OK - you may be right. Maybe I asked the wrong question.
>
> In the UK, the retail price for Vista Home Premium Upgrade is £149.99.
> This
> despite the fact that it is also $149, and £1=$2.06. Nobody in the UK can
> see
> this and not feel they are being ripped off.
>
> I have been watrching the price fall for the upgrade, and the cheapest I
> saw
> it was £120. However, I looked today and Amazon seem to be selling it for
> £97.48 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-Upgrade/dp/B000KCIA00/ref=sr_1_5/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348277&sr=1-5
> - Still too much, but getting better.
>
> However, their OEM version (full version, not upgrade - you are correct)
> seems to be only £65.98 -
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Home-Premium/dp/B000MFDJ1A/ref=sr_1_1/203-5833278-4637537?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1194348539&sr=1-1
> - about a third off their upgrade price, and much more the price you would
> expect with the current exchange rate.
>
> So, I wondered. Is there any reason at all why I should buy the more
> expensive upgrade - or is the OEM version perfectly acceptable?
>
> "David B." wrote:
>
>> The only thing stopping you is that Vista Upgrades aren't available in an
>> OEM license AFAIK, only retail.
>> If I'm wrong I'll be corrected.
>>
>> --
>>
>> ----
>> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
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>> _________________________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:868E9213-EE00-4DA8-8769-88D40E0DB6B6@microsoft.com...
>> >I have a Fujitsu-Siemens Scaleo P MCE 2005 PC, bought Dec 2005, which is
>> >used
>> > as the family PC (we also have a second) and also a Media Center PC.
>> > I'm
>> > quite happy upgrading software/hardware and supporting the family with
>> > using
>> > the PC.
>> >
>> > I were to upgrade to Vista, is there any reason (eg legal, technical,
>> > functional, support etc) why I shouldn't buy an OEM version of Vista
>> > Home
>> > premium upgrade rather than non-OEM when OEM is half the price?
>>
>>



Re: Vista upgrade - OEM by Nigel

Nigel
Thu Nov 08 01:59:51 PST 2007

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:51:24 -0800, dickm <dickm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I just installed Vista Home Premium OEM and unless I did something wrong, it
>only gave me a 3 day activation period. At the end of 3 days it
>auto-activated, it didnt even wait for me to tell it to activate, it just
>went ahead and did it.
>
>3 days wasnt enough time for me to work out all the install bugs. I normally
>end up doing multiple installs trying different things. I wish I'd have
>known that before hand.

You must have elected for automatic activation versus manual activation when you did the
installation. Here is the relevant paragraph from the Microsoft white paper

Online activation over the Internet can be accomplished automatically or manually. During setup the
user can select automatic activation, which will result in automatic activation three days after
running setup. If the user chooses manual activation, then at some point over the next 30 days, the
user will need to activate their system by either responding to one of the activation prompts or by
invoking the product activation wizard.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5cb10f03-27f6-461d-a3db-d440b4ced7f6&DisplayLang=en
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Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur
MCE MVP