The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and transmission
of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...

It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy switch
to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly

WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower right
corner...

Or am I missing something?

DSH

Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Steve

Steve
Wed Jul 02 01:02:54 PDT 2008

Just press the Send/Receive button twice in succession.

SteveT

Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by R

R
Wed Jul 02 05:55:19 PDT 2008

Hi, DSH.

Once you get the progress window opened (as the others said, or double-click
the "anemic little textual message" in the lower right corner, the right end
of the Status Bar; you DO have the Status Bar turned on, don't you?), click
the Pushpin in the lower right corner of that progress window. This will
keep that window open until you dismiss it in some way, such as by clicking
Hide or the red-corner X or just by clicking on the Reading Pane or other
location to move Windows' focus to that window.

Depending on how YOU use OE/WM/WLM, this little window can be a blessing or
an irritation - or both at different times.

This behavior is the same in OE, in WM and in WLM. But you may have set the
pushpin in OE so long ago that you have forgotten that you ever did it.
Like I did. ;^}

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:##HAE6A3IHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and
> transmission of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...
>
> It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy switch
> to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly
>
> WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower right
> corner...
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
> DSH


Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 06:00:28 PDT 2008

Thank you kindly.

But why twice, rather than just once as in OE?

DSH

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uQ75hwB3IHA.1808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Just press the Send/Receive button twice in succession.
>
> SteveT



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Steve

Steve
Wed Jul 02 06:05:01 PDT 2008

> But why twice, rather than just once as in OE?

Because lots of people found it to be a distracting nuisance. Now you've
got the choice of whether you see it or not.

SteveT


Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 06:20:16 PDT 2008

Cheers...

DSH
----------------------------------------

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:EF0DD763-E537-448C-8A5D-9A9C248C349A@microsoft.com...

> Hi, DSH.
>
> Once you get the progress window opened (as the others said, or
> double-click the "anemic little textual message" in the lower right
> corner, the right end of the Status Bar; you DO have the Status Bar turned
> on, don't you?), click the Pushpin in the lower right corner of that
> progress window. This will keep that window open until you dismiss it in
> some way, such as by clicking Hide or the red-corner X or just by clicking
> on the Reading Pane or other location to move Windows' focus to that
> window.
>
> Depending on how YOU use OE/WM/WLM, this little window can be a blessing
> or an irritation - or both at different times.

How so? One can always click HIDE and close it quickly?

> This behavior is the same in OE, in WM and in WLM. But you may have set
> the pushpin in OE so long ago that you have forgotten that you ever did
> it. Like I did. ;^}

Nope.

There is no "PUSHPIN" on this progress box in OE.

> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:##HAE6A3IHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and
>> transmission of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...
>>
>> It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy
>> switch to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly
>>
>> WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower
>> right corner...
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
>>
>> DSH
>



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 06:26:39 PDT 2008

It can always just be moved out of the way -- OR hidden by clicking on HIDE.

Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
counterproductive.

Also, the addition of this "PUSHPIN" is unnecessary.

DSH

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:us4yRVE3IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> But why twice, rather than just once as in OE?
>
> Because lots of people found it to be a distracting nuisance. Now you've
> got the choice of whether you see it or not.
>
> SteveT



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 06:29:43 PDT 2008

Recte:

Cheers...

DSH
----------------------------------------

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:EF0DD763-E537-448C-8A5D-9A9C248C349A@microsoft.com...

> Hi, DSH.
>
> Once you get the progress window opened (as the others said, or
> double-click the "anemic little textual message" in the lower right
> corner, the right end of the Status Bar; you DO have the Status Bar turned
> on, don't you?), click the Pushpin in the lower right corner of that
> progress window. This will keep that window open until you dismiss it in
> some way, such as by clicking Hide or the red-corner X or just by clicking
> on the Reading Pane or other location to move Windows' focus to that
> window.
>
> Depending on how YOU use OE/WM/WLM, this little window can be a blessing
> or an irritation - or both at different times.

How so? One can always click HIDE and close it quickly.

> This behavior is the same in OE, in WM and in WLM. But you may have set
> the pushpin in OE so long ago that you have forgotten that you ever did
> it. Like I did. ;^}

Nope.

There is no "PUSHPIN" on this progress box in OE.

> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:##HAE6A3IHA.3556@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and
>> transmission of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...
>>
>> It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy
>> switch to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly
>>
>> WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower
>> right corner...
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
>>
>> DSH



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Steve

Steve
Wed Jul 02 10:31:18 PDT 2008

> Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
> counterproductive.

Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we just
click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.

We will obviously continue to disagree about this :-)

SteveT


Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Gary

Gary
Wed Jul 02 11:19:48 PDT 2008

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:ezFDesG3IHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
>> counterproductive.
>
> Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
> the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we just
> click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.

Concur. The nerd in me used to watch the gears turning, but as I've
gotten older, I just want it to work silently, without fanfare.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)

Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 11:48:56 PDT 2008

The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
the issue.

It's a Strawman Red Herring.

How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.

One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of the
software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number of
newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the email
locker.

I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to the
engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on the
gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as they
chatter and babble on USENET.

There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of computers.

They have much in common...

And both are potentially extremely dangerous...

To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...

As well as to themselves.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:OVf52AH3IHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ezFDesG3IHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
>>> counterproductive.
>>
>> Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
>> the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we
>> just click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.
>
> Concur. The nerd in me used to watch the gears turning, but as I've gotten
> older, I just want it to work silently, without fanfare.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Gary

Gary
Wed Jul 02 16:08:10 PDT 2008

I'm sure it is possible to discuss this civilly without questioning
the intelligence of those with an opposite view.

Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.

Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
an eye opener!

It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail transmission,
*until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by
without a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something
that is automatic and troublefree.

--
Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:%23APKCSH3IHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
> the issue.
>
> It's a Strawman Red Herring.
>
> How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.
>
> One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of the
> software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number of
> newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the email
> locker.
>
> I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to the
> engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on the
> gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
> blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as they
> chatter and babble on USENET.
>
> There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of computers.
>
> They have much in common...
>
> And both are potentially extremely dangerous...
>
> To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...
>
> As well as to themselves.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OVf52AH3IHA.1436@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:ezFDesG3IHA.4500@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>>> Mucking about by changing simple protocol items such as this is
>>>> counterproductive.
>>>
>>> Nope, I disagree. I think it's a very elegant solution. For most people
>>> the Send/Receive is silent. For nerds like us who want to watch it, we
>>> just click the button twice. Nothing could be simpler than that.
>>
>> Concur. The nerd in me used to watch the gears turning, but as I've gotten
>> older, I just want it to work silently, without fanfare.
>>
>> --
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>

Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 16:40:40 PDT 2008

No Sale...

And I'm older than you are.

Eschew Ossification.

I just haven't lost my edge -- whereas you obviously have...

And I've been using automatic transmissions since 1966.

If you don't want to watch the Progress Box in OE you just close it.

Easy As Pie.

No Double Clicks Required.

Intelligent Design.

DSH

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
news:eRae$hJ3IHA.4284@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
> beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.
>
> Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
> manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
> to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
> in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
> into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
> smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
> an eye opener!
>
> It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail transmission,
> *until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by without
> a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something that is
> automatic and troublefree.
>
> --
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:%23APKCSH3IHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is not
>> the issue.
>>
>> It's a Strawman Red Herring.
>>
>> How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.
>>
>> One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning of
>> the software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a number
>> of newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the
>> email locker.
>>
>> I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to
>> the engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch on
>> the gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
>> blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as
>> they chatter and babble on USENET.
>>
>> There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of
>> computers.
>>
>> They have much in common...
>>
>> And both are potentially extremely dangerous...
>>
>> To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...
>>
>> As well as to themselves.
>>
>> DSH
>>
>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Wed Jul 02 23:39:24 PDT 2008

Nonsense.

Many of us have stuck to XP and OE because we don't want WLM and Vista.

Stick with the tried and the true as long as possible -- until the bugs and
snakes in WLM and Vista are taken care of.

Both newsgroups are relevant.

DSH

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:B590D5A0-7F6A-4141-8DA5-D2FCD53D2AE7@microsoft.com...

> One's preference is another's annoyance.
>
> Cross posting removed, discussion on WLM not applicable to OE group.
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
> news:OyC3j0J3IHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> No Sale...
>>
>> And I'm older than you are.
>>
>> Eschew Ossification.
>>
>> I just haven't lost my edge -- whereas you obviously have...
>>
>> And I've been using automatic transmissions since 1966.
>>
>> If you don't want to watch the Progress Box in OE you just close it.
>>
>> Easy As Pie.
>>
>> No Double Clicks Required.
>>
>> Intelligent Design.
>>
>> DSH
>>
>> "Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@NoMail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eRae$hJ3IHA.4284@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Let me give you an example of how it is possible to mature
>>> beyond the point of wanting to control and observe every detail.
>>>
>>> Up until age 55, I insisted that every car I bought had to have a
>>> manual transmission. I thought, a dumb machine cannot know how
>>> to shift gears at the optimum point! But then I developed arthritis
>>> in my knees and frequent clutching became too painful. I was forced
>>> into switching to an automatic transmission. I was amazed how
>>> smooth and intelligent modern automatic transmissions are. What
>>> an eye opener!
>>>
>>> It really isn't necessary to watch the details of every mail
>>> transmission,
>>> *until* such time as a glitch develops. For me, many months go by
>>> without
>>> a glitch, so why bother wasting one's attention on something that is
>>> automatic and troublefree.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
>>>
>>>
>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23APKCSH3IHA.3728@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>> The "Former Inner Nerd Watching Silently" these posters confess to is
>>>> not
>>>> the issue.
>>>>
>>>> It's a Strawman Red Herring.
>>>>
>>>> How Ignorant & Unimaginative they are.
>>>>
>>>> One watches the Progress Box in order to gauge the proper functioning
>>>> of
>>>> the software and any glitches that may occur as one synchronizes a
>>>> number
>>>> of newsgroups seriatim -- or downloads diamonds, ash and trash from the
>>>> email locker.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet the class of self-confessed former nerds often don't listen to
>>>> the engine and the road noise when they drive -- or keep a close watch
>>>> on
>>>> the gauges, as required -- but insist on having the radio or CD player
>>>> blaring -- while they chatter and babble on the cell phone -- just as
>>>> they chatter and babble on USENET.
>>>>
>>>> There are poor drivers on the road and there are poor drivers of
>>>> computers.
>>>>
>>>> They have much in common...
>>>>
>>>> And both are potentially extremely dangerous...
>>>>
>>>> To the Health & Welfare of the rest of us...
>>>>
>>>> As well as to themselves.
>>>>
>>>> DSH
>>>>
>>>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas



Re: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by D

D
Thu Jul 03 10:43:03 PDT 2008

Nonsense.

Many of us have stuck to XP and OE because we don't want WLM and Vista.

Stick with the tried and the true as long as possible -- until the bugs and
snakes in WLM and Vista are taken care of.

Both newsgroups are relevant.

DSH

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:B590D5A0-7F6A-4141-8DA5-D2FCD53D2AE7@microsoft.com...

> One's preference is another's annoyance.
>
> Cross posting removed, discussion on WLM not applicable to OE group.
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail



RE: What Happened To The Connection Box In WLM? by Dennis

Dennis
Mon Aug 25 16:00:05 PDT 2008



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

> The Connection Box which showed progress in the downloading and transmission
> of files, with Hide, Stop and Details Buttons...
>
> It was a very useful progress indicator in OE -- as well as a handy switch
> to turn downloading, or transmission off ---- quickly
>
> WLM seems to have only an anemic little textual message in the lower right
> corner...
>
> Or am I missing something?
>
> DSH
>
>
>

I have the same question. I read all the other (visible) posts (& had
already discovered the same, anemic solution), but what I don't see is a way
to cause a choice (that some may find annoying), to persist across sessions
(for those of us who do not find it so but do find the repeated effort of
choosing to see it every single session annoying).

When I click the icon in the progress bar, it sometimes sets the client into
offline mode, as if the clicking of it for a moment hides the little
indicator in the progress bar & (perhaps a mistaken double-click) then clicks
on the off/on line icon causing the client to go into offline mode.

There is not, as far as I can see, the little checkbox which says "always
display this" or whatever which existed in OE, &, I think, WM (as it was true
I was able to somehow get the thing to always display in WM, also, though it
was awhile back & I'm not so sure I recall exactly how on that one).

Anyway, if anyone knows a solution to this problem, a registry setting or
whatever that isn't exposed in the user interface, I would appreciate the
info. Thanks. BDR