? Turning Off Approved Header

Hi,

How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?

Thanks.

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Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Bruce
Thu Jun 05 08:11:35 PDT 2008

What are you considering to be an approved header?
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA



"Alec S." <@> wrote in message news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Alec S.
> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>
>

Alec
Thu Jun 05 08:26:44 PDT 2008

Bruce Hagen wrote (in news:%23ziK46xxIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl):

> "Alec S." <@> wrote in message news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >
> > How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>
> What are you considering to be an approved header?

Not AN approved header, THE Approved header. OE seems to automatically add it to
get USENET postings onto moderated groups. I am trying to post to a server but
get the 441 error ?You are not allowed to approve postings? because OE adds
?Approved: blah@blah.blah? to the headers. You can see the Approved header in OE
via View->All Headers.

I need a way to stop OE from adding it automatically. I cannot even work around
it in the meantime by removing it since there is no way to edit the headers in
OE, and if I save the message to disk and edit there then drag-n-drop it back
into OE, it is no longer sendable.

--
Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Bruce
Thu Jun 05 08:47:20 PDT 2008


"Alec S." <@> wrote in message news:uZ8bPCyxIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Bruce Hagen wrote (in news:%23ziK46xxIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl):
>
>> "Alec S." <@> wrote in message
>> news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>>
>> What are you considering to be an approved header?
>
> Not AN approved header, THE Approved header. OE seems to automatically add
> it to
> get USENET postings onto moderated groups. I am trying to post to a server
> but
> get the 441 error "You are not allowed to approve postings" because OE
> adds
> "Approved: blah@blah.blah" to the headers. You can see the Approved header
> in OE
> via View->All Headers.
>
> I need a way to stop OE from adding it automatically. I cannot even work
> around
> it in the meantime by removing it since there is no way to edit the
> headers in
> OE, and if I save the message to disk and edit there then drag-n-drop it
> back
> into OE, it is no longer sendable.
>
> --
> Alec S.
> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>


I guess someone else will need to address your question. My OE6 does not
have that option. In View | All Headers I have:

Newsgroups:
Follow Up To:
CC:
Reply-To:
Distribution:
Keywords:
Subject:

I'm sure someone will pick up on this thread.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA

Alec
Thu Jun 05 09:45:50 PDT 2008

N. Miller wrote (in news:hwhsoqcjyiwq.dlg@msnews.aosake.net):

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:26:44 -0400, Alec S. wrote:
>
> > Bruce Hagen wrote (in news:%23ziK46xxIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl):
>
> > > "Alec S." <@> wrote in message
> > > news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> > > > How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>
> > > What are you considering to be an approved header?
> >
> > Not AN approved header, THE Approved header. OE seems to automatically add
> > it to get USENET postings onto moderated groups. I am trying to post to a
> > server but get the 441 error ?You are not allowed to approve postings?
> > because OE adds ?Approved: blah@blah.blah? to the headers. You can see the
> > Approved header in OE via View->All Headers.
> >
>
> MS Outlook Express does not have the ability to add any kind of custom
> header, except via a registry hack. If you haven't hacked your registry,
> your copy of MSOE shouldn't be able to add that header.

I thought of that and already checked the OE tweaking apps I?ve got. None of
them mentions this feature/hack.


> Other than that, I probably need to refine my Internet search terms. Because
> your copy of MSOE is adding that header, you might just poke around in the
> Windows registry, the MSOS keys, and see if you can find a key which is
> adding that header. If you do, be sure to back up your registry before
> editing the keys, or you might render the system unusable.


That?s what I?ll do. I?ve got backups of my OE settings going back to at least
2003, plus I can extract the defaults from a sandbox installation to compare.

> I found one way, but I believe it is a manual, "one-off" method, i.e., it
> won't stick from post to post:
>
> http://www.helpwithwindows.com/windows95/oe-24.html

Thanks, but that?s for adding headers, it doesn?t let you remove them.

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Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

PA
Thu Jun 05 10:37:06 PDT 2008

One sees this following line in your posts' headers:

Organization: Synetech inc.

Are you access your newsgroups from work or via your employer's network?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


Alec S. wrote:
> How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?

Alec
Thu Jun 05 13:04:01 PDT 2008

N. Miller wrote (in news:y1s2u29svvde$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net):

> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:45:50 -0400, Alec S. wrote:
>
> If it isn't a registry hack on your local computer, about the only other
> thing it could be is an addition by your NNTP service. Try setting up MSOE
> to access these MSFT groups using 'msnews.microsoft.com' instead of your
> usual server. If your post shows up without the header using the MSFT
> server, then it is your NNTP service adding the header, and you can't fix
> that unless your server admin will listen to user suggestions, and act on
> them.

It?s not the server. In fact the server is nagging me that I CAN?T have that
header. ;) If you view the source of one of my posts here, you?ll see that it
does have it.

I suspect that it is probably some registry entry that some
?clever? program added but forgot to include in its interface (and forgot to
include an undo option). I?ll check the reg in a bit.

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Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Alec
Thu Jun 05 14:27:42 PDT 2008

Alec S. wrote (in news:%23AWhSd0xIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl):

> N. Miller wrote (in news:y1s2u29svvde$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net):
>
> > On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:45:50 -0400, Alec S. wrote:
> >
> > If it isn't a registry hack on your local computer, about the only other
> > thing it could be is an addition by your NNTP service. Try setting up MSOE
> > to access these MSFT groups using 'msnews.microsoft.com' instead of your
> > usual server. If your post shows up without the header using the MSFT
> > server, then it is your NNTP service adding the header, and you can't fix
> > that unless your server admin will listen to user suggestions, and act on
> > them.
>
> It?s not the server. In fact the server is nagging me that I CAN?T have that
> header. ;) If you view the source of one of my posts here, you?ll see that it
> does have it.
>
> I suspect that it is probably some registry entry that some
> ?clever? program added but forgot to include in its interface (and forgot to
> include an undo option). I?ll check the reg in a bit.


Yup. Somehow a hidden OE switch got flipped. It was the Moderator value (I can?t
seem to figure out what the GodMode value does). Judging by the other reg
entries that were added before and after it, I think that OE-QuoteFix may be the
culprit here, although I cannot find that option in it.

When you have that option active (for example if you moderate a newsgroup), then
View All Headers displays that field in the New Newsgroups Post window. The
problem is that it is not immediately obvious, but the field is actually
editable despite its appearance. Further, it will automatically populate with
your email address which then gets added to the headers. If however, you delete
the contents of the field, it will not add the Approved header. I left the
option active and deleted the field for this message; viewing the source shows
that the header is not present.

I sent the post to that moderated server that I was trying to and it worked.
Problem solved, extra knowledge gained. :)


Thanks.

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Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Robert
Thu Jun 05 15:24:04 PDT 2008

"Alec S." <@> wrote in message
news:uZ8bPCyxIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Bruce Hagen wrote (in news:%23ziK46xxIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl):
>
>> "Alec S." <@> wrote in message news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>>
>> What are you considering to be an approved header?
>
> Not AN approved header, THE Approved header. OE seems to automatically add it to
> get USENET postings onto moderated groups.


I think there is a registry hack to make OE work for a moderator
but then there would be a label somewhere (perhaps in the Folder bar)
which indicates that.

Probably the only one who knows this is Jim Pickering and he doesn't
post here any more...

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/77e8228cb3089c1e/c227641e3f6ec21f?lnk=st&q=author%3Apickering+moderator+regedit+group%3Amicrosoft.*#c227641e3f6ec21f

(Google Groups search for
author:pickering moderator regedit group:microsoft.*
)


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
---


> I am trying to post to a server but
> get the 441 error ?You are not allowed to approve postings? because OE adds
> ?Approved: blah@blah.blah? to the headers. You can see the Approved header in OE
> via View->All Headers.
>
> I need a way to stop OE from adding it automatically. I cannot even work around
> it in the meantime by removing it since there is no way to edit the headers in
> OE, and if I save the message to disk and edit there then drag-n-drop it back
> into OE, it is no longer sendable.
>
> --
> Alec S.
> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>
>
>

Michael
Thu Jun 05 15:27:20 PDT 2008

That's one of those hidden features that goes back to the IE3 Internet
Mail and News program which is the predecessor to OE.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Alec S." <@> wrote in message
news:ejyefM1xIHA.4564@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Alec S. wrote (in news:%23AWhSd0xIHA.5580@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl):
>
>> N. Miller wrote (in news:y1s2u29svvde$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net):
>>
>> > On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:45:50 -0400, Alec S. wrote:
>> >
>> > If it isn't a registry hack on your local computer, about the only
>> > other
>> > thing it could be is an addition by your NNTP service. Try setting
>> > up MSOE
>> > to access these MSFT groups using 'msnews.microsoft.com' instead of
>> > your
>> > usual server. If your post shows up without the header using the
>> > MSFT
>> > server, then it is your NNTP service adding the header, and you
>> > can't fix
>> > that unless your server admin will listen to user suggestions, and
>> > act on
>> > them.
>>
>> It's not the server. In fact the server is nagging me that I CAN'T
>> have that
>> header. ;) If you view the source of one of my posts here, you'll see
>> that it
>> does have it.
>>
>> I suspect that it is probably some registry entry that some
>> "clever" program added but forgot to include in its interface (and
>> forgot to
>> include an undo option). I'll check the reg in a bit.
>
>
> Yup. Somehow a hidden OE switch got flipped. It was the Moderator
> value (I can't
> seem to figure out what the GodMode value does). Judging by the other
> reg
> entries that were added before and after it, I think that OE-QuoteFix
> may be the
> culprit here, although I cannot find that option in it.
>
> When you have that option active (for example if you moderate a
> newsgroup), then
> View All Headers displays that field in the New Newsgroups Post
> window. The
> problem is that it is not immediately obvious, but the field is
> actually
> editable despite its appearance. Further, it will automatically
> populate with
> your email address which then gets added to the headers. If however,
> you delete
> the contents of the field, it will not add the Approved header. I left
> the
> option active and deleted the field for this message; viewing the
> source shows
> that the header is not present.
>
> I sent the post to that moderated server that I was trying to and it
> worked.
> Problem solved, extra knowledge gained. :)
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Alec S.
> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>
>

Michael
Thu Jun 05 15:39:53 PDT 2008

Jim's not the only one who knows about this.

To get the Approved by header line:

edit the registry to add/update the following key
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
Express\5.0\News]
"Moderator"=dword:00000001

- When you next start News, and create a New post or reply, click in
View, Full Headers. You'll now have an Approved entry.

Then whenever you post/reply, it will insert your e-mail address (from
the news account ). You can edit that header line contents before
submitting.

That feature goes back to the IE3 Internet Mail and News.

The key is not there by default. A value of 0 turns it off.


--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message
news:O1vptr1xIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Alec S." <@> wrote in message
> news:uZ8bPCyxIHA.3384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Bruce Hagen wrote (in news:%23ziK46xxIHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl):
>>
>>> "Alec S." <@> wrote in message
>>> news:eb2JFZxxIHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> >
>>> > How can I stop OE from adding an Approved header to USENET posts?
>>>
>>> What are you considering to be an approved header?
>>
>> Not AN approved header, THE Approved header. OE seems to
>> automatically add it to
>> get USENET postings onto moderated groups.
>
>
> I think there is a registry hack to make OE work for a moderator
> but then there would be a label somewhere (perhaps in the Folder bar)
> which indicates that.
>
> Probably the only one who knows this is Jim Pickering and he doesn't
> post here any more...
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/77e8228cb3089c1e/c227641e3f6ec21f?lnk=st&q=author%3Apickering+moderator+regedit+group%3Amicrosoft.*#c227641e3f6ec21f
>
> (Google Groups search for
> author:pickering moderator regedit group:microsoft.*
> )
>
>
> HTH
>
> Robert Aldwinckle
> ---
>
>
>> I am trying to post to a server but
>> get the 441 error "You are not allowed to approve postings" because
>> OE adds
>> "Approved: blah@blah.blah" to the headers. You can see the Approved
>> header in OE
>> via View->All Headers.
>>
>> I need a way to stop OE from adding it automatically. I cannot even
>> work around
>> it in the meantime by removing it since there is no way to edit the
>> headers in
>> OE, and if I save the message to disk and edit there then drag-n-drop
>> it back
>> into OE, it is no longer sendable.
>>
>> --
>> Alec S.
>> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Alec
Thu Jun 05 16:09:29 PDT 2008

Michael Santovec wrote (in news:%23S8nV01xIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl):

> Jim's not the only one who knows about this.
>
> - When you next start News, and create a New post or reply, click in
> View, Full Headers. You'll now have an Approved entry.
>
> Then whenever you post/reply, it will insert your e-mail address (from
> the news account ). You can edit that header line contents before
> submitting.


The problem is that the field is not displayed as an edit control like the
others, so it is not clear that you can edit it; it looks more like a static
label (like the Control field).


> To get the Approved by header line:
>
> edit the registry to add/update the following key
> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
Express\5.0\News]
> "Moderator"=dword:00000001

You wouldn?t happen to know what the GodMode value does do you?


Robert Aldwinckle wrote (in news:O1vptr1xIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl):

> Probably the only one who knows this is Jim Pickering and he doesn't
> post here any more...
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/77e8228cb3089c1e/c227641e3f6ec21f?lnk=st&q=author%3Apickering+moderator+regedit+group%3Amicrosoft.*#c227641e3f6ec21f

I think that?s the post that I found earlier today that explained it. :)


--
Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Michael
Thu Jun 05 18:17:52 PDT 2008

I suspect that was by design. The assumption being that you shouldn't
normally need to change it. But since that program logic is more than
10 years old, there's probably no one an Microsoft who remembers.

--

Mike - http://pages.prodigy.net/michael_santovec/techhelp.htm



"Alec S." <@> wrote in message
news:OZWs3E2xIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Michael Santovec wrote (in
> news:%23S8nV01xIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl):
>
>> Jim's not the only one who knows about this.
>>
>> - When you next start News, and create a New post or reply, click in
>> View, Full Headers. You'll now have an Approved entry.
>>
>> Then whenever you post/reply, it will insert your e-mail address
>> (from
>> the news account ). You can edit that header line contents before
>> submitting.
>
>
> The problem is that the field is not displayed as an edit control like
> the
> others, so it is not clear that you can edit it; it looks more like a
> static
> label (like the Control field).
>
>
>> To get the Approved by header line:
>>
>> edit the registry to add/update the following key
>> [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{guid}\Software\Microsoft\Outlook
> Express\5.0\News]
>> "Moderator"=dword:00000001
>
> You wouldn't happen to know what the GodMode value does do you?
>
>
> Robert Aldwinckle wrote (in
> news:O1vptr1xIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl):
>
>> Probably the only one who knows this is Jim Pickering and he doesn't
>> post here any more...
>>
>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress/browse_thread/thread/77e8228cb3089c1e/c227641e3f6ec21f?lnk=st&q=author%3Apickering+moderator+regedit+group%3Amicrosoft.*#c227641e3f6ec21f
>
> I think that's the post that I found earlier today that explained it.
> :)
>
>
> --
> Alec S.
> news/alec->synetech/cjb/net
>
>