Tried for three days to download this (XP Home). Finally succeeded tonight
then after restart I got a screen "We apologise for the inconvenience but
Windows did not start successfully due to . . . a software update". I tried
every option but was in a loop.
PCWorld's Advice Center finally sorted my problem - started in safe
mode/system restore - without SP3.
I've just tried to post this on the SP3 page but . . . couldn't.
PCW say I don't need SP3 for 6 moths - as I check for updates every day.
Do I? Don't I? Why is it that every time there's an "SP" update, everything
crashes for a day or two?
Imagine buying a car that crashes after you turn left twice - that would be
unacceptable so why is it that Windows allow their reputation to dissolve in
this way?

Re: SP3 by Leonard

Leonard
Fri May 09 13:21:16 PDT 2008

You wouldn't try to drive a car without taking driving lessons, would you?

"Release notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

"Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

"How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of Windows XP Service
Pack 3"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

The above are just a few of the resources available to help you prepare
for this major upgrade to your operating system.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

DaveU wrote:
> Tried for three days to download this (XP Home). Finally succeeded tonight
> then after restart I got a screen "We apologise for the inconvenience but
> Windows did not start successfully due to . . . a software update". I tried
> every option but was in a loop.
> PCWorld's Advice Center finally sorted my problem - started in safe
> mode/system restore - without SP3.
> I've just tried to post this on the SP3 page but . . . couldn't.
> PCW say I don't need SP3 for 6 moths - as I check for updates every day.
> Do I? Don't I? Why is it that every time there's an "SP" update, everything
> crashes for a day or two?
> Imagine buying a car that crashes after you turn left twice - that would be
> unacceptable so why is it that Windows allow their reputation to dissolve in
> this way?

Re: SP3 by PA

PA
Fri May 09 13:26:13 PDT 2008

Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

<IMHO>
Temporarily disable all real-time protections afforded by your anti-virus
application, any anti-spyware applications, and any third-party firewall
prior to installing SP3. If you disable a third-party firewall, make sure
you then enable the Windows Firewall: The machine should not be connected to
the internet without an active firewall.

NB ZA Free users: Uninstall ZA Free via Add/Remove Programs and enable the
Windows Firewall before installing SP3.

After installing SP3 /and rebooting twice/, check to make sure your
real-time protections have been re-enabled; If you disabled a third-party
firewall, remember to re-enable it and disable the Windows Firewall.
</IMHO>

Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for
Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and
e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

â?¢ US:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ CA:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ UK:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ AU:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select
Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3

â?¢ WinXP-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

â?¢ Windows Update-specific newsgroup: microsoft.public.windowsupdate
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


DaveU wrote:
> Tried for three days to download this (XP Home). Finally succeeded tonight
> then after restart I got a screen "We apologise for the inconvenience but
> Windows did not start successfully due to . . . a software update". I
> tried
> every option but was in a loop.
> PCWorld's Advice Center finally sorted my problem - started in safe
> mode/system restore - without SP3.
> I've just tried to post this on the SP3 page but . . . couldn't.
> PCW say I don't need SP3 for 6 moths - as I check for updates every day.
> Do I? Don't I? Why is it that every time there's an "SP" update,
> everything
> crashes for a day or two?
> Imagine buying a car that crashes after you turn left twice - that would
> be
> unacceptable so why is it that Windows allow their reputation to dissolve
> in
> this way?


Re: SP3 by DaveU

DaveU
Sat May 10 09:45:00 PDT 2008

thank you PA Bear & Leonard Grey. I very much appreciate your help. But it
proves my point that Microsoft could have done rather better. I checked
updates as usual and found this message:

" High-priority updates
This update can have system-wide effects or address more than one problem.
It must be installed separately from other updates.
We recommend you install it and then return to our home page to check if
your computer needs other high-priority updates."

So why, oh why, didn't that page first point me to the very helpful things
you guys have mentioned?
and why is Chat & email support only available in the USA & Canada, when we
in the UK pay more for the software?
Sorry - mustn't harp on. I'll go and follow your advice and try again.
Thanks, peeps


Re: SP3 by PA

PA
Sat May 10 10:08:32 PDT 2008

Please don't kill the messenger.

DaveU wrote:
> thank you PA Bear & Leonard Grey. I very much appreciate your help. But it
> proves my point that Microsoft could have done rather better. I checked
> updates as usual and found this message:
>
> " High-priority updates
> This update can have system-wide effects or address more than one problem.
> It must be installed separately from other updates.
> We recommend you install it and then return to our home page to check if
> your computer needs other high-priority updates."
>
> So why, oh why, didn't that page first point me to the very helpful things
> you guys have mentioned?
> and why is Chat & email support only available in the USA & Canada, when
> we
> in the UK pay more for the software?
> Sorry - mustn't harp on. I'll go and follow your advice and try again.
> Thanks, peeps


Re: SP3 by DaveU

DaveU
Sat May 10 12:22:01 PDT 2008

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Please don't kill the messenger.

L.O.L.
Nope - I wasn't! Honestly. My frustration was aimed at MS. Why didn't the
Update page link me to those helpful pages you mentioned? Can you pass on to
them my suggestion, please.
Still - after all this time, and having done everything suggested, the
download failed again. It has taken me ages to do a system restore so now I'm
at a loss what to do next as I really don't want to go through all that again!
Is SP3 available on a disc? I'm happy to pay!


Re: SP3 by PA

PA
Sat May 10 14:22:21 PDT 2008

Have you tried Express install at Windows Update? Is Automatic Updates
enabled?
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

DaveU wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Please don't kill the messenger.
>
> L.O.L.
> Nope - I wasn't! Honestly. My frustration was aimed at MS. Why didn't the
> Update page link me to those helpful pages you mentioned? Can you pass on
> to
> them my suggestion, please.
> Still - after all this time, and having done everything suggested, the
> download failed again. It has taken me ages to do a system restore so now
> I'm at a loss what to do next as I really don't want to go through all
> that
> again! Is SP3 available on a disc? I'm happy to pay!


Re: SP3 by DaveU

DaveU
Sun May 11 03:35:00 PDT 2008

Hi Robear. I've followed all four methods shown on the MS site. I first tried
to download using the Express Recommended route.
I've tried again and have sat and watched every stage. I now know that the
download succeeded! But when having restarted, as prompted, I have again got
the screen " We apologise for the inconvenience but Windows did not start
successfully . . due to a recent hardward or software download."
I have again had to go into Safe Mode and then use System Restore. It took 2
1/2 hours to restore. I think I'll go out into the garden, grab some sunshine
and de-stress there!! Thanks for trying anyway.
DaveU - West Yorkshire UK

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> Have you tried Express install at Windows Update? Is Automatic Updates
> enabled?
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
> DaveU wrote:
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> Please don't kill the messenger.
> >
> > L.O.L.
> > Nope - I wasn't! Honestly. My frustration was aimed at MS. Why didn't the
> > Update page link me to those helpful pages you mentioned? Can you pass on
> > to
> > them my suggestion, please.
> > Still - after all this time, and having done everything suggested, the
> > download failed again. It has taken me ages to do a system restore so now
> > I'm at a loss what to do next as I really don't want to go through all
> > that
> > again! Is SP3 available on a disc? I'm happy to pay!
>
>

Re: SP3 by PA

PA
Sun May 11 11:39:20 PDT 2008

WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

Steps to take before you install WinXP SP3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717

Free unlimited installation and compatibility support is available for
Windows XP, but only for Service Pack 3 (SP3), until 14 Apr-09. Chat and
e-mail support is available only in the United States and Canada.

â?¢ US:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-us&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ CA:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-ca&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ UK:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ AU:
http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-au&prid=11273&gprid=522131

â?¢ Other: http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?gprid=1173 | select
Windows XP | select Windows XP Service Pack 3
--
Windows Update-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002

DaveU wrote:
> Hi Robear. I've followed all four methods shown on the MS site. I first
> tried to download using the Express Recommended route.
> I've tried again and have sat and watched every stage. I now know that the
> download succeeded! But when having restarted, as prompted, I have again
> got
> the screen " We apologise for the inconvenience but Windows did not start
> successfully . . due to a recent hardward or software download."
> I have again had to go into Safe Mode and then use System Restore. It took
> 2
> 1/2 hours to restore. I think I'll go out into the garden, grab some
> sunshine and de-stress there!! Thanks for trying anyway.
> DaveU - West Yorkshire UK
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Have you tried Express install at Windows Update? Is Automatic Updates
>> enabled?
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>> DaveU wrote:
>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please don't kill the messenger.
>>>
>>> L.O.L.
>>> Nope - I wasn't! Honestly. My frustration was aimed at MS. Why didn't
>>> the
>>> Update page link me to those helpful pages you mentioned? Can you pass
>>> on
>>> to
>>> them my suggestion, please.
>>> Still - after all this time, and having done everything suggested, the
>>> download failed again. It has taken me ages to do a system restore so
>>> now
>>> I'm at a loss what to do next as I really don't want to go through all
>>> that
>>> again! Is SP3 available on a disc? I'm happy to pay!


Re: SP3 by Robert

Robert
Tue May 13 20:08:51 PDT 2008

"DaveU" <DaveU@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2D2AF283-958C-4D37-A1EB-64F5D9BE88D5@microsoft.com...
> Hi Robear. I've followed all four methods shown on the MS site.


It may help if you clarify what URL you were looking at?
E.g the troubleshooting page that Leonard pointed out
appears to contain 5 "methods" I'd say there was only one there:
Download the full install and try that under optimum conditions.

BTW I have a strong objection to it being called a troubleshooter
because there is nowhere in it that I can see where it suggests
*any* diagnosis! It's more of a "cross-your-fingers and blunder
ahead regardless of what results you are getting" approach... ; ]


> I first tried
> to download using the Express Recommended route.
> I've tried again and have sat and watched every stage. I now know that the
> download succeeded!


How do you know that? E.g., which diagnostic did you look at?


> But when having restarted, as prompted, I have again got
> the screen " We apologise for the inconvenience but Windows did not start
> successfully . . due to a recent hardward or software download."


This looks like a "something's wrong that we didn't expect to happen"
type of message. You probably need to refine that symptom and
at least find out what that "something" is.


> I have again had to go into Safe Mode and then use System Restore. It took 2
> 1/2 hours to restore.


Instead what you could do is look at the rest of the diagnostics that
the install creates (e.g. search your drives for files which were changed
that day, then sort them by Date Modified and then scroll to the minute
that the update attempt was started.) If necessary you can supplement
the clues you get from those logs by running ProcMon to see what
registry and file accesses occurred just before each log message was
written.


Good luck

Robert Aldwinckle
---



Re: SP3 by DaveU

DaveU
Tue May 13 22:27:00 PDT 2008

thanks Robert. Reply as below:

(1) "I've followed all four methods shown on the MS site."
It may help if you clarify what URL you were looking at?

" support.microsoft.com/kb/950718 "

You're right Robert - there are five methods there. I should have confessed
that I chickened out of trying #5!
*******************************
(2) "I first tried to download using the Express Recommended route. I've
tried again and have sat and watched every stage. I now know that the
download succeeded!"

How do you know that? E.g., which diagnostic did you look at?


There was a message at the end saying 'downloaded succeeded'. I've just
checked "Review your update history" on the Update page. My first attempt was
cancelled, the second one failed (0x80072EE2) but the last three succeeded.
**********************************************
(3) But when having restarted, as prompted, I have again got the screen " We
apologise for the inconvenience but Windows did not start successfully . .
due to a recent hardware or software download."

This looks like a "something's wrong that we didn't expect to happen" type
of message. You probably need to refine that symptom and at least find out
what that "something" is.

I took the shortest route, not being PC-literate and posted here. Is there
anything else I can do?

*****************************

(4) "I have again had to go into Safe Mode and then use System Restore. It
took 2
1/2 hours to restore."


Instead what you could do is look at the rest of the diagnostics that the
install creates (e.g. search your drives for files which were changed that
day, then sort them by Date Modified and then scroll to the minute that the
update attempt was started.) If necessary you can supplement the clues you
get from those logs by running ProcMon to see what registry and file
accesses occurred just before each log message was written.

Thanks. I'll try that if I have to.

*********************************

Update: I tried Robear's link
(http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=en-gb&prid=11273&gprid=522131).
I was very impressed with it. I noted on my email to them what had happened,
gave them authority to access my PC, and hit 'send'.
Up came a window "loading" - it was still there over two hours later. My
daughter need the PC for college work so I abandoned it. I'll try the link
again now, without access to files and ask them if it should take that long.
If it should, then that's fine by me. I'll let you know what happens.
In closing may I thank Leonard, Robear and Robert for spending so much of
their time to help me. It's much appreciated. Can I ask another favour of
Robear, as an MS MVP? That such updates from the Update site show a warning
that users must first look at the KB articles to do their preparaatory work.
Thanks.