Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What i
wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a child
domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software that
is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences within that
database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000 and
will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to rename/reasign it
itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import them
once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.

Thanks in advance

Eric Twing

Re: moving accounts retaining SID by Paul

Paul
Mon Mar 24 14:02:58 PDT 2008

Look at sidHistory and ADMT. Create a child domain and migrate the current
domain into this new child domain.

--
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MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4

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"Eric B. Twing" <archangel@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:OfOFj.35551$J41.32454@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What i
> wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a child
> domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software that
> is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
> database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences within
> that
> database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000 and
> will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to rename/reasign
> it
> itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import them
> once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Eric Twing
>
>
>



Re: moving accounts retaining SID by Jorge

Jorge
Tue Mar 25 01:46:30 PDT 2008

probably that answer will not hold for the long term....

it is not possible import the SID into an account. The userSid depends on
the domainSid and that cannot be changed either

--

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# Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services

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"Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OsqoxJfjIHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Look at sidHistory and ADMT. Create a child domain and migrate the
> current domain into this new child domain.
>
> --
> Paul Bergson
> MVP - Directory Services
> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>
> http://www.pbbergs.com
>
> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Eric B. Twing" <archangel@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:OfOFj.35551$J41.32454@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What i
>> wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a child
>> domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software
>> that
>> is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
>> database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences within
>> that
>> database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000 and
>> will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to rename/reasign
>> it
>> itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import them
>> once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Eric Twing
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: moving accounts retaining SID by Paul

Paul
Tue Mar 25 05:37:49 PDT 2008

Why wouldn't sidHistory work over the long term? I must be missing
something.

--
Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4

http://www.pbbergs.com

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"Jorge de Almeida Pinto [MVP - DS]"
<SubstituteThisWithMyFullNameSeparatedByDots@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eWpUGTljIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> probably that answer will not hold for the long term....
>
> it is not possible import the SID into an account. The userSid depends on
> the domainSid and that cannot be changed either
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> (HOPEFULLY THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU!)
>
> # Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
>
> BLOG (WEB-BASED)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/default.aspx
> BLOG (RSS-FEEDS)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/rss.aspx
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * How to ask a question --> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555375
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and confers no
> rights!
> * Always test before implementing!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #################################################
> #################################################
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OsqoxJfjIHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Look at sidHistory and ADMT. Create a child domain and migrate the
>> current domain into this new child domain.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Bergson
>> MVP - Directory Services
>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>>
>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>
>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "Eric B. Twing" <archangel@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>> news:OfOFj.35551$J41.32454@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What i
>>> wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a child
>>> domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software
>>> that
>>> is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
>>> database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences within
>>> that
>>> database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000
>>> and
>>> will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to rename/reasign
>>> it
>>> itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import them
>>> once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Eric Twing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>



Re: moving accounts retaining SID by Jorge

Jorge
Tue Mar 25 06:44:05 PDT 2008

because sidhistory does not have the intention to be used for longterm,
shortterm only. it is a mechanism to help you to go from A to B and after
the transition it should not be used anymore and be cleaned

--

Cheers,
(HOPEFULLY THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU!)

# Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services

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"Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ei0iKUnjIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Why wouldn't sidHistory work over the long term? I must be missing
> something.
>
> --
> Paul Bergson
> MVP - Directory Services
> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>
> http://www.pbbergs.com
>
> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> "Jorge de Almeida Pinto [MVP - DS]"
> <SubstituteThisWithMyFullNameSeparatedByDots@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eWpUGTljIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> probably that answer will not hold for the long term....
>>
>> it is not possible import the SID into an account. The userSid depends on
>> the domainSid and that cannot be changed either
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cheers,
>> (HOPEFULLY THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU!)
>>
>> # Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
>>
>> BLOG (WEB-BASED)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/default.aspx
>> BLOG (RSS-FEEDS)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/rss.aspx
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> * How to ask a question --> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555375
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> * This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and confers no
>> rights!
>> * Always test before implementing!
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> #################################################
>> #################################################
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:OsqoxJfjIHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Look at sidHistory and ADMT. Create a child domain and migrate the
>>> current domain into this new child domain.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Bergson
>>> MVP - Directory Services
>>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>>> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>>>
>>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>>
>>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights.
>>>
>>> "Eric B. Twing" <archangel@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OfOFj.35551$J41.32454@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What
>>>> i
>>>> wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a child
>>>> domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software
>>>> that
>>>> is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
>>>> database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences within
>>>> that
>>>> database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000
>>>> and
>>>> will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to
>>>> rename/reasign it
>>>> itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import
>>>> them
>>>> once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Eric Twing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Re: moving accounts retaining SID by Paul

Paul
Wed Mar 26 05:41:37 PDT 2008

I would agree, but I have spoken with Dean W and he feels that it is a
viable long term solution. I am confused on its intent from Microsoft and I
have not seen any official guidance on this and that is why I ask. I
dislike phantoms and think people forget they even exist after a migration.
I have even requested a change to dcdiag to have an option to list out
phantoms. Do you know what Microsoft's official stance on this is?


--
Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4

http://www.pbbergs.com

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"Jorge de Almeida Pinto [MVP - DS]"
<SubstituteThisWithMyFullNameSeparatedByDots@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Oev3Z5njIHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> because sidhistory does not have the intention to be used for longterm,
> shortterm only. it is a mechanism to help you to go from A to B and after
> the transition it should not be used anymore and be cleaned
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> (HOPEFULLY THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU!)
>
> # Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
>
> BLOG (WEB-BASED)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/default.aspx
> BLOG (RSS-FEEDS)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/rss.aspx
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * How to ask a question --> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555375
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and confers no
> rights!
> * Always test before implementing!
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #################################################
> #################################################
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ei0iKUnjIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Why wouldn't sidHistory work over the long term? I must be missing
>> something.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Bergson
>> MVP - Directory Services
>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>>
>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>
>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "Jorge de Almeida Pinto [MVP - DS]"
>> <SubstituteThisWithMyFullNameSeparatedByDots@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eWpUGTljIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> probably that answer will not hold for the long term....
>>>
>>> it is not possible import the SID into an account. The userSid depends
>>> on the domainSid and that cannot be changed either
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> (HOPEFULLY THIS INFORMATION HELPS YOU!)
>>>
>>> # Jorge de Almeida Pinto # MVP Windows Server - Directory Services
>>>
>>> BLOG (WEB-BASED)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/default.aspx
>>> BLOG (RSS-FEEDS)--> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/rss.aspx
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> * How to ask a question --> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=555375
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> * This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and confers no
>>> rights!
>>> * Always test before implementing!
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #################################################
>>> #################################################
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "Paul Bergson [MVP-DS]" <pbergson@allete_nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OsqoxJfjIHA.4080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Look at sidHistory and ADMT. Create a child domain and migrate the
>>>> current domain into this new child domain.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Bergson
>>>> MVP - Directory Services
>>>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>>>> 2008, 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT4
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>>>
>>>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights.
>>>>
>>>> "Eric B. Twing" <archangel@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OfOFj.35551$J41.32454@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> Is there a way to preserve the SID to user and computer accounts? What
>>>>> i
>>>>> wish to attempt is to dismantle a domain then to recreate it as a
>>>>> child
>>>>> domain in another forest. However, there is mission critical software
>>>>> that
>>>>> is sensitive to the SID of an account in relation to an extensive SQL
>>>>> database. I dont want to orphan several hundred account refences
>>>>> within that
>>>>> database for the loss of the SID. The domain is currently Server 2000
>>>>> and
>>>>> will be joined under 2003. Because its 2000 the option to
>>>>> rename/reasign it
>>>>> itsnt there. Id like to export the accounts with the SID and import
>>>>> them
>>>>> once the domain is restored while retaining the original SID's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Twing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>