I am wondering about the advantages of using Vista 64 bit compared to 32 bit
with differing amounts of RAM.

I understand (I think!) that with 4GB of RAM the 64 bit version is likely to
perform better that the 32 bit, but what about with 2GB or 3GB?

Thanks for any advice.

Adrian

Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by BSchnur

BSchnur
Thu Feb 15 11:04:14 CST 2007

By and large I doubt you will see a performance gain - probably not
even with 4G -- for most applications.

The immediate performance winners in 64 bit will be applications
capable of using 64 bit and those where extra memory (say 8G) really
can be used by the application.


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Barry Schnur

Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by Charlie

Charlie
Thu Feb 15 15:31:06 CST 2007

Actually, I'd disagree at the 4gb point. In most cases, you won't be able to
see past 3GB of RAM on a 32-bit OS. Windows uses a flat memory address
model, limiting 32-bit OSs to a maximum of 4GB of Virtual Memory Address
Space. (I'm deliberately ignoring /PAE for the moment.) Of that 4 GB, 2 GB
is for applications, and 2GB is for the OS. You can force 3GB to
applications, at the expense of the OS, but that has its own costs. And
finally, the BIOS sets aside a block of addresses in the 3-4GB range for use
by PCI device BIOSs. With a 64-bit OS, that BIOS address space can get
shifted up out of the way, and the underlying 2GB limit for applications
goes away. Even 32-bit applications get a full 4GB of Virtual Memory Address
Space. (Many 32-bit apps, however, don't know how to use more than 2GB, so
they will simply ignore the extra.)

My own personal experience says that at 2GB performance is a wash between
32-bit and 64-bit, but that 64-bit has a slight edge on stability. At 3GB,
64-bit is starting to edge past 32-bit. And at 4GB and above, it's clearly
64-bit.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64


"BSchnur" <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote in message
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> By and large I doubt you will see a performance gain - probably not
> even with 4G -- for most applications.
>
> The immediate performance winners in 64 bit will be applications
> capable of using 64 bit and those where extra memory (say 8G) really
> can be used by the application.
>
>
> --
> Barry Schnur


Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by BSchnur

BSchnur
Thu Feb 15 16:32:56 CST 2007

> My own personal experience says that at 2GB performance is a wash between
> 32-bit and 64-bit, but that 64-bit has a slight edge on stability. At 3GB,
> 64-bit is starting to edge past 32-bit. And at 4GB and above, it's clearly
> 64-bit.
>
OK -- I'll bow to your age and experience. <smile>.

My own sense is (was) that with a 4G system (something I've not
deployed for any clients), the performance gain would be modest,
*EXCEPT* for those running very memory intensive applications. I do
have a couple of clients for whom this will make sense (heavy use of
mapping software and Photoshop). Aside from them though, I don't
expect to see them running to 64 bit.

--
Barry Schnur

Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by Adrian

Adrian
Fri Feb 16 08:36:53 CST 2007

Barry and Charlie,

Thanks for your thoughts.

I was particularly thinking of running some mapping software which is
fairly memory intensive, so I guess there might be some (possibly small)
advantage to running it on a 64 bit PC if we have more than 2GB RAM.

Adrian

"BSchnur" <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> My own personal experience says that at 2GB performance is a wash between
>> 32-bit and 64-bit, but that 64-bit has a slight edge on stability. At
>> 3GB,
>> 64-bit is starting to edge past 32-bit. And at 4GB and above, it's
>> clearly
>> 64-bit.
>>
> OK -- I'll bow to your age and experience. <smile>.
>
> My own sense is (was) that with a 4G system (something I've not
> deployed for any clients), the performance gain would be modest,
> *EXCEPT* for those running very memory intensive applications. I do
> have a couple of clients for whom this will make sense (heavy use of
> mapping software and Photoshop). Aside from them though, I don't
> expect to see them running to 64 bit.
>
> --
> Barry Schnur



Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by BSchnur

BSchnur
Fri Feb 16 10:16:02 CST 2007

> I was particularly thinking of running some mapping software which is
> fairly memory intensive, so I guess there might be some (possibly small)
> advantage to running it on a 64 bit PC if we have more than 2GB RAM.
>
There you go -- by the way, if you are looking to 64 bit
configurations, and driven to it by an expectation of using more
memory, make very sure the motherboard supports 8G of memory -- many
top out at 4G.


--
Barry Schnur

Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by Adrian

Adrian
Fri Feb 16 11:38:02 CST 2007

Barry,

Thanks.

Adrian

"BSchnur" <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> I was particularly thinking of running some mapping software which is
>> fairly memory intensive, so I guess there might be some (possibly small)
>> advantage to running it on a 64 bit PC if we have more than 2GB RAM.
>>
> There you go -- by the way, if you are looking to 64 bit
> configurations, and driven to it by an expectation of using more
> memory, make very sure the motherboard supports 8G of memory -- many
> top out at 4G.
>
>
> --
> Barry Schnur



Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by Charlie

Charlie
Sat Feb 17 00:00:47 CST 2007

Virtually all of the DDR2 boards will take 8GB now. The 2GB modules are a
bit more, but they've come down into the range where mere mortals can buy
them. Older Socket 939 boards will generally not support >4GB.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64


"Adrian" <NoSpam@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Barry,
>
> Thanks.
>
> Adrian
>
> "BSchnur" <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.203f86b0b2600a9298977a@msnews.microsoft.com...
>>> I was particularly thinking of running some mapping software which is
>>> fairly memory intensive, so I guess there might be some (possibly small)
>>> advantage to running it on a 64 bit PC if we have more than 2GB RAM.
>>>
>> There you go -- by the way, if you are looking to 64 bit
>> configurations, and driven to it by an expectation of using more
>> memory, make very sure the motherboard supports 8G of memory -- many
>> top out at 4G.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barry Schnur
>
>


Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by BSchnur

BSchnur
Sat Feb 17 01:16:41 CST 2007

That's largely true with the AM2 motherboards -- but not the case with
775 motherboards -- for whatever reason, supporting DDR2-800 and >4G of
memory on those boards comes at a premium.

Heck, for the AM2's I can pick up a MicroATX motherboard with embedded
nVidia 6100 which supports up to 8G of DDR2 800 memory for $60 -- can't
touch that with a 775 -- though the concept of microatx and 8G of
memory support seems a bit odd...


> Virtually all of the DDR2 boards will take 8GB now. The 2GB modules are a
> bit more, but they've come down into the range where mere mortals can buy
> them. Older Socket 939 boards will generally not support >4GB.



--
Barry Schnur

Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by Charlie

Charlie
Sat Feb 17 10:32:01 CST 2007

I guess I'm playing with a different line of boards, then. Any that I'm
seeing in the marketplace today supplrt 8 GB. Some of the older DDR2 ones
don't, and there are a few with less than 4 slots that don't, obviously. But
it is true - I tend to buy on the premium side for mobos.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64


"BSchnur" <BSchnur@cox.net> wrote in message
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> That's largely true with the AM2 motherboards -- but not the case with
> 775 motherboards -- for whatever reason, supporting DDR2-800 and >4G of
> memory on those boards comes at a premium.
>
> Heck, for the AM2's I can pick up a MicroATX motherboard with embedded
> nVidia 6100 which supports up to 8G of DDR2 800 memory for $60 -- can't
> touch that with a 775 -- though the concept of microatx and 8G of
> memory support seems a bit odd...
>
>
>> Virtually all of the DDR2 boards will take 8GB now. The 2GB modules are
>> a
>> bit more, but they've come down into the range where mere mortals can buy
>> them. Older Socket 939 boards will generally not support >4GB.
>
>
>
> --
> Barry Schnur


Re: 32 or 64 bit with 2 or 3 or 4GB RAM by BSchnur

BSchnur
Sat Feb 17 11:42:36 CST 2007

Right -- my point there is that the cost for the CPU choice is really
the cost of it an equivalent motherboard. With the AMD's about $40
more can be spent on the processor for the same total cost for the
memory handling.

> I guess I'm playing with a different line of boards, then. Any that I'm
> seeing in the marketplace today supplrt 8 GB. Some of the older DDR2 ones
> don't, and there are a few with less than 4 slots that don't, obviously. But
> it is true - I tend to buy on the premium side for mobos.
>
>

--
Barry Schnur