Installed XP 64 and then installed all drivers except printer. While
everything installed fine Internet browsing is very slow. It takes usually
10 seconds to load a page, while XP Home is immediate... Any ideas..

Re: Ill try later.. by Christian

Christian
Sun Jun 05 15:21:11 CDT 2005

_Mark_ <markst@ev2.net> wrote:
> Installed XP 64 and then installed all drivers except printer. While
> everything installed fine Internet browsing is very slow. It takes
> usually 10 seconds to load a page, while XP Home is immediate... Any
> ideas..

Hi Mark

Maybe:

If you have the nVidia Firewall enable
If you're using the quiet and cool if your mobo is an Asus.
We really need more info about your configuration to able to assist you.

Cheers


--
Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
Johannesburg - South Africa
http://msmvps.com/xpditif



Re: Ill try later.. by NoNoBadDog!

NoNoBadDog!
Sun Jun 05 15:57:05 CDT 2005


"Christian Hougardy" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23tQyjwgaFHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> _Mark_ <markst@ev2.net> wrote:
>> Installed XP 64 and then installed all drivers except printer. While
>> everything installed fine Internet browsing is very slow. It takes
>> usually 10 seconds to load a page, while XP Home is immediate... Any
>> ideas..
>
> Hi Mark
>
> Maybe:
>
> If you have the nVidia Firewall enable
> If you're using the quiet and cool if your mobo is an Asus.
> We really need more info about your configuration to able to assist you.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> Johannesburg - South Africa
> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>
Cool n' Quiet has no effect on web browsing....

Bobby



Re: Ill try later.. by _Mark_

_Mark_
Sun Jun 05 17:00:09 CDT 2005

Sorry. ASUS K8N. No firewall installed, nor is the cool and quiet
installed. 1.0 megs of memory with 2 WD SATA 120 drives..

"Christian Hougardy" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23tQyjwgaFHA.3848@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> _Mark_ <markst@ev2.net> wrote:
>> Installed XP 64 and then installed all drivers except printer. While
>> everything installed fine Internet browsing is very slow. It takes
>> usually 10 seconds to load a page, while XP Home is immediate... Any
>> ideas..
>
> Hi Mark
>
> Maybe:
>
> If you have the nVidia Firewall enable
> If you're using the quiet and cool if your mobo is an Asus.
> We really need more info about your configuration to able to assist you.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> Johannesburg - South Africa
> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>



Re: Ill try later.. by Wayne

Wayne
Sun Jun 05 17:31:18 CDT 2005

_Mark_ wrote:
> Sorry. ASUS K8N. No firewall installed, nor is the cool and quiet
> installed. 1.0 megs of memory with 2 WD SATA 120 drives..
>

Why doesn't anyone want to use EIDE drives? They are just as good, imo. :)
That is the number one problem people are having, is related to SATA
drivers.


Wayne



Re: Ill try later.. by NoNoBadDog!

NoNoBadDog!
Sun Jun 05 17:45:42 CDT 2005

Obviously, you have not done your homework. SATA drives are faster than
EIDE, and can be set up for maximum data security. However, with the
introduction of NCQ on the IDE side, demand for SATA may well fall. NCQ
enabled drives, when teamed with NCQ enabled motherboards, gives better
*SUSTAINED* throughput than SATA, so will give better performance in the
real world. SATA drives can deliver large amounts of data in BURST mode (up
to 150MBps in SATA I and up to 300 MBps in SATA II), but are generally not
faster than EIDE in sustained reads. However, SATA RAID configurations do
offer advantages over an IDE array. Many who wish to play games, edit
video, or use other disk intensive apps, may choose SATA. Those who need to
ensure that their data is protected (by redundant "striping") will choose
SATA.

Bobby

"Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in message
news:eq4nL5haFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> _Mark_ wrote:
>> Sorry. ASUS K8N. No firewall installed, nor is the cool and quiet
>> installed. 1.0 megs of memory with 2 WD SATA 120 drives..
>>
>
> Why doesn't anyone want to use EIDE drives? They are just as good, imo. :)
> That is the number one problem people are having, is related to SATA
> drivers.
>
>
> Wayne
>



Re: Ill try later.. by Wayne

Wayne
Sun Jun 05 18:18:11 CDT 2005

NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> Obviously, you have not done your homework. SATA drives are faster
> than EIDE, and can be set up for maximum data security. However,
> with the introduction of NCQ on the IDE side, demand for SATA may
> well fall. NCQ enabled drives, when teamed with NCQ enabled
> motherboards, gives better *SUSTAINED* throughput than SATA, so will
> give better performance in the real world. SATA drives can deliver
> large amounts of data in BURST mode (up to 150MBps in SATA I and up
> to 300 MBps in SATA II), but are generally not faster than EIDE in
> sustained reads. However, SATA RAID configurations do offer
> advantages over an IDE array. Many who wish to play games, edit
> video, or use other disk intensive apps, may choose SATA. Those who
> need to ensure that their data is protected (by redundant "striping")
> will choose SATA.
> Bobby
>

I own a SATA drive, and for what I do, I see no difference. I work with
large files too, say 4gb. Of course, it is a SATA I drive, and is only 80GB.


Wayne



Re: Ill try later.. by Wayne

Wayne
Sun Jun 05 18:25:17 CDT 2005

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Re: Ill try later.. by NoNoBadDog!

NoNoBadDog!
Sun Jun 05 18:54:14 CDT 2005

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not even mentioned, such as amount of RAM, type of processor, etc.

Bobby

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Re: Ill try later.. by Wayne

Wayne
Sun Jun 05 19:01:00 CDT 2005

Naw, don't need to bother with a RAID array. Overkill is the operative word
here, for me that is. But thanks anyway.



Wayne



Re: Ill try later.. by NoNoBadDog!

NoNoBadDog!
Sun Jun 05 19:08:04 CDT 2005

Okay. But you do need to understand that a singe SATA drive is "useless".
A single SATA drive is no faster than an IDE drive. You seem to dismiss
SATA as "worthless", but you cannot see the advantage of SATA unless you
have two drives. Therefore you have dismissed SATA without ever having
tried it.

Bobby


"Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in message
news:%23EeLTriaFHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Naw, don't need to bother with a RAID array. Overkill is the operative
> word here, for me that is. But thanks anyway.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>



Re: Ill try later.. by Andre

Andre
Sun Jun 05 19:10:30 CDT 2005

I hope the Windows Team offers more support in terms of RAID support for the
average user in the next version of Windows. Better disk management setup
and performance tuning for such configurations would be great.
--
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"NoNoBadDog!" <no_bsledge@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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You do not see any difference because you are using a single SATA drive. To
get the speed benefit, you need two matched drives in a RAID array. Plus,
the seek times do not indicate drive speed/throughput. If you had a
properly configured RAID array, you would notice an increase in how fast the
large files load. Of course, there are other variables we have not even
mentioned, such as amount of RAM, type of processor, etc.

Bobby

"Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in message
news:u9B9VXiaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
BrandWestern Digital
SeriesCaviar SE
ModelWD800JD
Performance
Capacity80GB
Cache8MB
RPM7200 RPM
Average Seek Time8.9ms
Average Write Time10.9ms
Average Latency4.2ms
InterfaceSerial ATA150




BrandMaxtor
SeriesDiamondMax Plus 9
Model6Y200P0
Performance
Capacity200GB
Cache8MB
RPM7200 RPM
Average Seek Time9.3ms
Average Latency4.2ms
InterfaceIDE Ultra ATA133
Physical Spec
Form Factor3.5"
Features
FeaturesShock Protection and Data Protection System
Warranty
Manufacturer Warranty3 Years



Those are my two main drives. As you can see, there is little differences
in speed between the two.




Wayne



Re: Ill try later.. by Wayne

Wayne
Sun Jun 05 19:27:44 CDT 2005

NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> Okay. But you do need to understand that a singe SATA drive is
> "useless". A single SATA drive is no faster than an IDE drive. You
> seem to dismiss SATA as "worthless", but you cannot see the advantage
> of SATA unless you have two drives. Therefore you have dismissed
> SATA without ever having tried it.
>
> Bobby
>
>

No, I haven't dismissed it. I just don't need it.

I think you are taking this personally. Time to back off, ok?



Wayne



Re: Ill try later.. by Morituri-|-Max

Morituri-|-Max
Sun Jun 05 19:34:31 CDT 2005


"NoNoBadDog!" <no_bsledge@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:e66XXviaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Okay. But you do need to understand that a singe SATA drive is "useless".
> A single SATA drive is no faster than an IDE drive. You seem to dismiss
> SATA as "worthless", but you cannot see the advantage of SATA unless you
> have two drives. Therefore you have dismissed SATA without ever having
> tried it.

It's a free country. If he wanted to dismiss it instead of merely not
needing it, he could do so.. to each their own.