Is 64-bit XP compatible with anything?

We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with everything
we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that worked
perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us that
XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

NoNoBadDog!
Sat Sep 03 02:02:47 CDT 2005


"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

You bought your "dream machine" and did absolutely no research?
You need 64 bit drivers for your hardware.
Did you do any research at all?

I am running WinXP Pro x64 on 3 machines with all hardware working under 64
bit.
I took the time to do a little research first, and knew that I could not use
32 bit drivers.
I took the time to find the drivers for all my hardware, either from the
manufacturers website, or from www.planetamd64.com.

Perhaps it is you who is not ready "for the future".

Bobby

MM
Sat Sep 03 04:03:28 CDT 2005

"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

Please, don't do it. The guys from Linksys said what they said because they
haven't prepared drivers for XP x64 so, this is their fault, not yours! If
anything in your system doesn't have drivers go to the company who sold you
the computer with XP x64 and incompatible equipment. They should select it
to work under x64.

Sometimes you can use 32bit drivers but the situation changes rapidly every
month and number of vendors add their support to x64. XP x64 is a working
system, is god and stable and can be used for very hard tasks. We are just
buying two two dual processor, dual core workstations based on AMD to be
used for both office work as well as hard computing in science and
photoediting under XP x64. The trials with the sample machine coused some
problems at the beggining but all of them were cused by the lack of our
knowledge not the system itself and all were solved (except of those with
failed equipment).

So, don't worry. I am sure you have a great machine but it only requires
some of your tuning.
Best wishes,
Maciej

MM
Sat Sep 03 04:03:39 CDT 2005

"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

Please, don't do it. The guys from Linksys said what they said because they
haven't prepared drivers for XP x64 so, this is their fault, not yours! If
anything in your system doesn't have drivers go to the company who sold you
the computer with XP x64 and incompatible equipment. They should select it
to work under x64.

Sometimes you can use 32bit drivers but the situation changes rapidly every
month and number of vendors add their support to x64. XP x64 is a working
system, is god and stable and can be used for very hard tasks. We are just
buying two two dual processor, dual core workstations based on AMD to be
used for both office work as well as hard computing in science and
photoediting under XP x64. The trials with the sample machine coused some
problems at the beggining but all of them were cused by the lack of our
knowledge not the system itself and all were solved (except of those with
failed equipment).

So, don't worry. I am sure you have a great machine but it only requires
some of your tuning.
Best wishes,
Maciej

MM
Sat Sep 03 04:03:47 CDT 2005

"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

Please, don't do it. The guys from Linksys said what they said because they
haven't prepared drivers for XP x64 so, this is their fault, not yours! If
anything in your system doesn't have drivers go to the company who sold you
the computer with XP x64 and incompatible equipment. They should select it
to work under x64.

Sometimes you can use 32bit drivers but the situation changes rapidly every
month and number of vendors add their support to x64. XP x64 is a working
system, is god and stable and can be used for very hard tasks. We are just
buying two two dual processor, dual core workstations based on AMD to be
used for both office work as well as hard computing in science and
photoediting under XP x64. The trials with the sample machine coused some
problems at the beggining but all of them were cused by the lack of our
knowledge not the system itself and all were solved (except of those with
failed equipment).

So, don't worry. I am sure you have a great machine but it only requires
some of your tuning.
Best wishes,
Maciej

Dominic
Sat Sep 03 04:09:52 CDT 2005

Most Office, image editing and other software installs and works at least as
well under XP64 as on older versions of Windows. Exceptions are where the
program installs drivers - these must be 64-bit.

Your problem was not with software. The Linksys program was trying to
install 32-bit drivers on a 64-bit system which would not accept them.

See http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversion/index.php/t9970.html for a
probable solution to your Linksys driver problem.

XP64 requires 64-bit drivers for hardware devices. There are relatively few
users of 64-bit Windows and some manufacturers don't think it worthwhile to
produce 64-bit drivers yet. However, many proprietary devices use standard
chipsets for which drivers are available. Research - www.planetamd64.com is
a good source - will show where this is an option. Check the availability of
64-bit drivers before buying any new hardware.



"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

Steve
Sat Sep 03 07:55:51 CDT 2005

dotPhoto wrote:
> We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with everything
> we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
> Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that worked
> perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
> tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
> When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us that
> XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

dotPhoto,

First of all, all of the resources you need can be found on the net.
Read this article here http://www.online64.net/kb.php?mode=article&k=6
for starters.

Second, contrary to what MM wrote, NO 32 bit drivers will work on an x64
OS because all kernel mode drivers that hook into the OS have to be written.

Third, I have had absolutely no trouble at all with several linksys
wireless cards. Just find out what chip set you have on the card. It's
either a Broadcom or an Ralink.

HTH,

--
Steve Thompson
Online 64 .NET | http://www.online64.net

Tom
Sat Sep 03 10:21:51 CDT 2005

You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like modems
and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.

Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level. e.g.
disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.

A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit and
the 64 bit version.

Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of the
start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more 64
bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such systems
but a native 64 bit version is in development.


Tom

"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
: We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
everything
: we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
: loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
standard
: Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
worked
: perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze.
I
: tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
load.
: When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
that
: XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
: everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but
I'm
: wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
system
: that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
: videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

Thomas
Sat Sep 03 12:49:55 CDT 2005

dotPhoto wrote:
> We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
> wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
> that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> videos, etc.

If you mean "suitable for the typical computer user", then no, XP x64 is
certainly not ready for widespread use. It is a new system, a
significant share even of new devices has no drivers for it, and even
worse, there is no certification program. So unless you are a complete
geek, it is impossible to figure whether a device would be compatible.

So far the bad news. The good news is that you have absolutely no need
to use XP x64. Regular XP works just as well, unless you have more than
4 GB of memory installed. (I know that my dream machine is a dual
Opteron with as much memory as you can fit, say 16 GB :-). So you
probably got the right computer, but the wrong OS.

Thomas

Gatos
Sat Sep 03 13:33:47 CDT 2005

Dominic is correct by pointing you to planetamd64.com the driver you
are looking for is there. In fact I am using it right now. At least
one that works for version 4 of the linksys usb 54g. It's not actually
a linksys driver but it works with the chipset.

I haven't really had any problem running x64. I just didn't try to do
anything to exotic. Even my Wacom tablet works fine.

32bit drivers will not work though.

But again, http://planetamd64.com/ is your best bet if you have any
questions to available drivers, the answers will generally show up
there first, I have found.

good luck
top posting
gato loco

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:14:02 -0700, "dotPhoto"
<dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with everything
>we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
>loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a standard
>Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that worked
>perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze. I
>tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to load.
>When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us that
>XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
>everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but I'm
>wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working system
>that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
>videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?

tony2020
Sun Sep 04 00:57:02 CDT 2005

You mentioned an option of dual boot w/ xp32 along with xp64. How would one
go about doing this? I have thought of this, my desire would be to keep xp32
on a separate drive and xp64 on another. Is this possible? Would one still
be considered slave and primary? Also, I have a problem, my RC2 xp64
prematurely expired adn now I need to get my files. Can I safely reinstall
RC2 or the final release trial version over the current xp64 drive in order
to rescue these files or would they get erased in teh install?

"Tom Ferguson" wrote:

> You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like modems
> and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.
>
> Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
> This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level. e.g.
> disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.
>
> A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit and
> the 64 bit version.
>
> Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of the
> start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more 64
> bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such systems
> but a native 64 bit version is in development.
>
>
> Tom
>
> "dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> : We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> everything
> : we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> : loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
> standard
> : Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> worked
> : perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze.
> I
> : tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
> load.
> : When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> that
> : XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> : everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but
> I'm
> : wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
> system
> : that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office, photos,
> : videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?
>
>
>

John
Sun Sep 04 06:38:34 CDT 2005


"tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D7A1DC40-3175-4F93-947F-A0E7F2875A21@microsoft.com...
> You mentioned an option of dual boot w/ xp32 along with xp64. How would
> one
> go about doing this? I have thought of this, my desire would be to keep
> xp32
> on a separate drive and xp64 on another. Is this possible?

Yes, many on this site dual boot

Would one still
> be considered slave and primary? On SATA they are Primary channel and
> secondary channel on the controller on separate cables

If they are IDE drives, yes

Also, I have a problem, my RC2 xp64
> prematurely expired adn now I need to get my files. Can I safely
> reinstall
> RC2 or the final release trial version over the current xp64 drive in
> order
> to rescue these files or would they get erased in teh install?

If you are going to dual boot from a second drive, the safest way is to
install your x86 system on the new drive (it should be installed first
anyway) and then rescue your files from the RC2 drive, then install the x64
OEM
>
> "Tom Ferguson" wrote:
>
>> You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like modems
>> and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.
>>
>> Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
>> This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level.
>> e.g.
>> disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.
>>
>> A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit
>> and
>> the 64 bit version.
>>
>> Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of the
>> start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more 64
>> bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such systems
>> but a native 64 bit version is in development.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> "dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
>> : We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
>> everything
>> : we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
>> : loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
>> standard
>> : Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
>> worked
>> : perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze.
>> I
>> : tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
>> load.
>> : When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
>> that
>> : XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
>> : everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but
>> I'm
>> : wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
>> system
>> : that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office,
>> photos,
>> : videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?
>>
>>
>>

dotPhoto
Sun Sep 04 22:50:37 CDT 2005

Thanks to everyone who offered help.

I'm going to check out plantetamd64.com, and we'll see if we can get basic
functionality going.

If there are any Microsofties or PC sellers out there, here's what I don't
understand: I've come to expect better from Microsoft out of each successive
release of Windows operating systems ever since Version 3.1. There has been
an effort, I think, to ensure backward compatibility, and users like me have
come to expect increased, not reduced, compability. One person castigated me
for not doing more investigation before buying this operating system, and
suggested that perhaps I was not ready for the future. ("The truth! You
can't handle the truth!")

It seems to me that if Microsoft is going to release operating systems that
devolve before they evolve, there should be some warning labels -- especially
from the PC integrators. When buying from a configurator online, one gets
the idea that, if you're buying a dual core 64-bit processor, you would be
best off with the matching "Windows" operating system. Corresponding text
should note, "Limited peripheral support / click here for a list of supported
devices / these popular peripherals are not supported at this time" etc.

Perhaps Microsoft should go back to releasing "Beta" products, so that
people who have lots of time to spend on these things can break their picks
on new operating systems.

I have other questions about XP 64: is it compatible with Windows XP Pro?
Can 64 control my Pro operating system at the office remotely? Or is XP 64
hobbled in other ways, too?

Again, thanks for all the quick and useful feedback. I'll try your
suggestions.

Dennis
Mon Sep 05 01:43:41 CDT 2005

I think you've nailed the porblem with the new technology. I've asked
around in anticipation of building an XP64 machine, and the term "work in
progress" comes up more often than anything else. There's nothing wrong with
releasing a new system and letting enthusiasts find their way around it. I
intend on using the new machine to learn on, not work on. That will come in
time. But for those who need to get work done, it's not right to sing the
praises of a new OS and then mention in the little print that "Oh by the
way, half of your old stuff may not work unless you can hunt down a driver
that may not even exist." Not a problem if you have another machine to get
your work done, and the time and inclination to troubleshoot, but not
everyone is so inclined. The vendors who are pushing these systems should at
least ask their customers how then intend to use them, and how much time
they are willing to spend on working out the kinks. For many of us the
de-kinking is the fun part. For many others....who needs it?


"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:796F8FC7-0566-4130-A72D-822A97E1B5A2@microsoft.com...
> Thanks to everyone who offered help.
>
> I'm going to check out plantetamd64.com, and we'll see if we can get basic
> functionality going.
>
> If there are any Microsofties or PC sellers out there, here's what I don't
> understand: I've come to expect better from Microsoft out of each
successive
> release of Windows operating systems ever since Version 3.1. There has
been
> an effort, I think, to ensure backward compatibility, and users like me
have
> come to expect increased, not reduced, compability. One person castigated
me
> for not doing more investigation before buying this operating system, and
> suggested that perhaps I was not ready for the future. ("The truth! You
> can't handle the truth!")
>
> It seems to me that if Microsoft is going to release operating systems
that
> devolve before they evolve, there should be some warning labels --
especially
> from the PC integrators. When buying from a configurator online, one gets
> the idea that, if you're buying a dual core 64-bit processor, you would be
> best off with the matching "Windows" operating system. Corresponding text
> should note, "Limited peripheral support / click here for a list of
supported
> devices / these popular peripherals are not supported at this time" etc.
>
> Perhaps Microsoft should go back to releasing "Beta" products, so that
> people who have lots of time to spend on these things can break their
picks
> on new operating systems.
>
> I have other questions about XP 64: is it compatible with Windows XP Pro?
> Can 64 control my Pro operating system at the office remotely? Or is XP
64
> hobbled in other ways, too?
>
> Again, thanks for all the quick and useful feedback. I'll try your
> suggestions.

tony2020
Mon Sep 05 11:43:03 CDT 2005

So, to clarify this dual boot installation. I'll be adding a new drive
(IDE), which I should make my primary drive for xp32? (should I leave the
current xp64 drive disconnected when installing the xp32 drive?) Then I
should make my current drive (also IDE) with the xp64 the slave to this? So,
xp32 will allow me to access the xp64 folders to get my files? Then once
that is done, I would just reinstall RC2 or the trial xp64? I understand xp
will auto setup the dual boot, the question I have is when I turn the PC on,
will I be prompted as to which version to boot to, or will I be selecting an
"F" key, and if so which one?

"John Barnes" wrote:

>
> "tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D7A1DC40-3175-4F93-947F-A0E7F2875A21@microsoft.com...
> > You mentioned an option of dual boot w/ xp32 along with xp64. How would
> > one
> > go about doing this? I have thought of this, my desire would be to keep
> > xp32
> > on a separate drive and xp64 on another. Is this possible?
>
> Yes, many on this site dual boot
>
> Would one still
> > be considered slave and primary? On SATA they are Primary channel and
> > secondary channel on the controller on separate cables
>
> If they are IDE drives, yes
>
> Also, I have a problem, my RC2 xp64
> > prematurely expired adn now I need to get my files. Can I safely
> > reinstall
> > RC2 or the final release trial version over the current xp64 drive in
> > order
> > to rescue these files or would they get erased in teh install?
>
> If you are going to dual boot from a second drive, the safest way is to
> install your x86 system on the new drive (it should be installed first
> anyway) and then rescue your files from the RC2 drive, then install the x64
> OEM
> >
> > "Tom Ferguson" wrote:
> >
> >> You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like modems
> >> and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.
> >>
> >> Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
> >> This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level.
> >> e.g.
> >> disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.
> >>
> >> A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit
> >> and
> >> the 64 bit version.
> >>
> >> Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of the
> >> start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more 64
> >> bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such systems
> >> but a native 64 bit version is in development.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> "dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> >> : We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> >> everything
> >> : we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that simply
> >> : loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
> >> standard
> >> : Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> >> worked
> >> : perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then froze.
> >> I
> >> : tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
> >> load.
> >> : When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told us
> >> that
> >> : XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible with
> >> : everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer, but
> >> I'm
> >> : wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
> >> system
> >> : that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office,
> >> photos,
> >> : videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP 64?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

John
Mon Sep 05 21:29:49 CDT 2005

Doesn't matter which is the primary or secondary and no need to disconnect
during the install, just be real careful when you are selecting what to
partition and format that you select the empty space on the new drive. When
you install the new x64 you will be prompted at bootup which system you want
to boot to. The x64 will be the default since it will be installed last and
the default seconds will be 30 but you will probably want to change that to
less using system properties after you are done.


"tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:499A88FD-490C-4B7D-BB3E-E5F7FF666D95@microsoft.com...
> So, to clarify this dual boot installation. I'll be adding a new drive
> (IDE), which I should make my primary drive for xp32? (should I leave the
> current xp64 drive disconnected when installing the xp32 drive?) Then I
> should make my current drive (also IDE) with the xp64 the slave to this?
> So,
> xp32 will allow me to access the xp64 folders to get my files? Then once
> that is done, I would just reinstall RC2 or the trial xp64? I understand
> xp
> will auto setup the dual boot, the question I have is when I turn the PC
> on,
> will I be prompted as to which version to boot to, or will I be selecting
> an
> "F" key, and if so which one?
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>>
>> "tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D7A1DC40-3175-4F93-947F-A0E7F2875A21@microsoft.com...
>> > You mentioned an option of dual boot w/ xp32 along with xp64. How
>> > would
>> > one
>> > go about doing this? I have thought of this, my desire would be to keep
>> > xp32
>> > on a separate drive and xp64 on another. Is this possible?
>>
>> Yes, many on this site dual boot
>>
>> Would one still
>> > be considered slave and primary? On SATA they are Primary channel and
>> > secondary channel on the controller on separate cables
>>
>> If they are IDE drives, yes
>>
>> Also, I have a problem, my RC2 xp64
>> > prematurely expired adn now I need to get my files. Can I safely
>> > reinstall
>> > RC2 or the final release trial version over the current xp64 drive in
>> > order
>> > to rescue these files or would they get erased in teh install?
>>
>> If you are going to dual boot from a second drive, the safest way is to
>> install your x86 system on the new drive (it should be installed first
>> anyway) and then rescue your files from the RC2 drive, then install the
>> x64
>> OEM
>> >
>> > "Tom Ferguson" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like
>> >> modems
>> >> and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.
>> >>
>> >> Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
>> >> This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level.
>> >> e.g.
>> >> disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.
>> >>
>> >> A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit
>> >> and
>> >> the 64 bit version.
>> >>
>> >> Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of
>> >> the
>> >> start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more
>> >> 64
>> >> bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such
>> >> systems
>> >> but a native 64 bit version is in development.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> "dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
>> >> : We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
>> >> everything
>> >> : we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that
>> >> simply
>> >> : loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
>> >> standard
>> >> : Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
>> >> worked
>> >> : perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then
>> >> froze.
>> >> I
>> >> : tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
>> >> load.
>> >> : When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told
>> >> us
>> >> that
>> >> : XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible
>> >> with
>> >> : everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer,
>> >> but
>> >> I'm
>> >> : wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
>> >> system
>> >> : that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office,
>> >> photos,
>> >> : videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP
>> >> 64?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Torrey
Tue Sep 06 15:12:59 CDT 2005

The problem isn't Microsoft. Microsoft developed, tested, and released a
great OS. The problem is with the other software companies that didn't
realize that 64 bit computing was going to happen so fast. So, those
software companies didn't do anything to get 64 bit drivers for their
equipement ready.

You will find, however, most drivers for your new dream machine. There are
several sites that I have used recently to get drivers. Keep in mind that a
beta driver may work better than an actual released driver. This happened
to me with a graphics driver.

The only driver I could not find was a 64 bit driver for the modem. That
was not critial to me at all since I never use a modem. I always use
wireless or ethernet port.

Post back as to whether you have a Broadcom wireless adapter or a Ralink.
Then, someone here can post a link to a site that has the driver you will
need.

--
Torrey Lauer
Modern Travel Services
moderntravel DOT net

Rainbow Sky Travel
rainbow sky travel DOT net
"dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:796F8FC7-0566-4130-A72D-822A97E1B5A2@microsoft.com...
> Thanks to everyone who offered help.
>
> I'm going to check out plantetamd64.com, and we'll see if we can get basic
> functionality going.
>
> If there are any Microsofties or PC sellers out there, here's what I don't
> understand: I've come to expect better from Microsoft out of each
> successive
> release of Windows operating systems ever since Version 3.1. There has
> been
> an effort, I think, to ensure backward compatibility, and users like me
> have
> come to expect increased, not reduced, compability. One person castigated
> me
> for not doing more investigation before buying this operating system, and
> suggested that perhaps I was not ready for the future. ("The truth! You
> can't handle the truth!")
>
> It seems to me that if Microsoft is going to release operating systems
> that
> devolve before they evolve, there should be some warning labels --
> especially
> from the PC integrators. When buying from a configurator online, one gets
> the idea that, if you're buying a dual core 64-bit processor, you would be
> best off with the matching "Windows" operating system. Corresponding text
> should note, "Limited peripheral support / click here for a list of
> supported
> devices / these popular peripherals are not supported at this time" etc.
>
> Perhaps Microsoft should go back to releasing "Beta" products, so that
> people who have lots of time to spend on these things can break their
> picks
> on new operating systems.
>
> I have other questions about XP 64: is it compatible with Windows XP Pro?
> Can 64 control my Pro operating system at the office remotely? Or is XP
> 64
> hobbled in other ways, too?
>
> Again, thanks for all the quick and useful feedback. I'll try your
> suggestions.

tony2020
Tue Sep 20 22:07:01 CDT 2005

I first installed the xp32 Home on primary IDE, which shows up as F drive in
"my computer". The slave drive that I want to put xp64 Trial on shows as C
drive when I am booted to the xp32. I then booted from cd (xp64 trial disc)
and was shown drives C and D, choose one for this install. Here, at the blue
partition screen, I chose D,which I'm figuring is the Slave drive, to
install 64. I formatted it to NTFS (as I did the other drive). It goes
through all the motions to install, but when it does its first auto reboot
during setup, it doesn't seem to get past this and starts setup all over
again. I have the bios set to boot the xp32 drive first which allows a
normal bootup. However, if I set bios to boot the other drive, nothing
happens, no option for which OS I want to boot to (as I presume if never
finished installing). So, the question, is what is not going right in
installing xp64 for the dual boot scenario? and why do the drive letters
show primary as F? (D and E are cdrw and dvdR)

"John Barnes" wrote:

> Doesn't matter which is the primary or secondary and no need to disconnect
> during the install, just be real careful when you are selecting what to
> partition and format that you select the empty space on the new drive. When
> you install the new x64 you will be prompted at bootup which system you want
> to boot to. The x64 will be the default since it will be installed last and
> the default seconds will be 30 but you will probably want to change that to
> less using system properties after you are done.
>
>
> "tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:499A88FD-490C-4B7D-BB3E-E5F7FF666D95@microsoft.com...
> > So, to clarify this dual boot installation. I'll be adding a new drive
> > (IDE), which I should make my primary drive for xp32? (should I leave the
> > current xp64 drive disconnected when installing the xp32 drive?) Then I
> > should make my current drive (also IDE) with the xp64 the slave to this?
> > So,
> > xp32 will allow me to access the xp64 folders to get my files? Then once
> > that is done, I would just reinstall RC2 or the trial xp64? I understand
> > xp
> > will auto setup the dual boot, the question I have is when I turn the PC
> > on,
> > will I be prompted as to which version to boot to, or will I be selecting
> > an
> > "F" key, and if so which one?
> >
> > "John Barnes" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "tony2020" <tony2020@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:D7A1DC40-3175-4F93-947F-A0E7F2875A21@microsoft.com...
> >> > You mentioned an option of dual boot w/ xp32 along with xp64. How
> >> > would
> >> > one
> >> > go about doing this? I have thought of this, my desire would be to keep
> >> > xp32
> >> > on a separate drive and xp64 on another. Is this possible?
> >>
> >> Yes, many on this site dual boot
> >>
> >> Would one still
> >> > be considered slave and primary? On SATA they are Primary channel and
> >> > secondary channel on the controller on separate cables
> >>
> >> If they are IDE drives, yes
> >>
> >> Also, I have a problem, my RC2 xp64
> >> > prematurely expired adn now I need to get my files. Can I safely
> >> > reinstall
> >> > RC2 or the final release trial version over the current xp64 drive in
> >> > order
> >> > to rescue these files or would they get erased in teh install?
> >>
> >> If you are going to dual boot from a second drive, the safest way is to
> >> install your x86 system on the new drive (it should be installed first
> >> anyway) and then rescue your files from the RC2 drive, then install the
> >> x64
> >> OEM
> >> >
> >> > "Tom Ferguson" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You have to be careful to get peripherals, such as PCI cards like
> >> >> modems
> >> >> and Ethernet cards, that have available drivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, not all software will work on a 64 bit machine under Windows 64.
> >> >> This is especially true of programs that operate at the system level.
> >> >> e.g.
> >> >> disk defragmenters, anti-virus software.
> >> >>
> >> >> A possible solution for some issues is to dual boot Windows Pro 32 bit
> >> >> and
> >> >> the 64 bit version.
> >> >>
> >> >> Above all, 64 bit is definitely the future. You are suffering some of
> >> >> the
> >> >> start-up pain but the system is so much more capable. Remember, more
> >> >> 64
> >> >> bit software is in development. e.g MS Office works well on such
> >> >> systems
> >> >> but a native 64 bit version is in development.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom
> >> >>
> >> >> "dotPhoto" <dotPhoto@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1930C5FA-C236-46CD-98FC-2B195FF3358A@microsoft.com...
> >> >> : We just bought our dream machine -- an AMD Athlon dual core with
> >> >> everything
> >> >> : we could imagine including XP 64. Unfortunately, we found that
> >> >> simply
> >> >> : loading software on the computer was impossible. For instance, a
> >> >> standard
> >> >> : Linksys USB wireless G device that we bought two months ago and that
> >> >> worked
> >> >> : perfectly on the predecssor got to 25% load on install and then
> >> >> froze.
> >> >> I
> >> >> : tried everything -- Safe Mode, etc. -- and still could not get it to
> >> >> load.
> >> >> : When we finally got through to the company's tech support, they told
> >> >> us
> >> >> that
> >> >> : XP 64 was "for the future" and that it was basically incompatible
> >> >> with
> >> >> : everything today. We're thinking that we'll return this computer,
> >> >> but
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> : wondering if anyone at Microsoft can tell me if XP 64 is a working
> >> >> system
> >> >> : that could be useful today to someone who does the usual Office,
> >> >> photos,
> >> >> : videos, etc. If so, what would I need to do to load software on XP
> >> >> 64?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>