It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.

It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows
2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention
whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.

Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64

It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
admit one way or the other?

Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version
for that to which I say horse manure).

My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.

Microsoft, whasssup??

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Gary

Gary
Mon Dec 24 13:17:24 PST 2007

Applications written for 32 bit are compatible with 64 bit. That is, a 32
bit application will run on the 64 bit O/S. As long as the application
doesn't require 32 bit drivers. Usually an application doesn't require
drivers, only hardware does.


"Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>
> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows 2000,
> XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention whatsoever
> about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>
> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>
> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
> admit one way or the other?
>
> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit flash,
> and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version for that
> to which I say horse manure).
>
> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By the
> time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be ready
> for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>
> Microsoft, whasssup??


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Tony

Tony
Mon Dec 24 14:32:02 PST 2007

You are essentially correct, but you are not being entirely fair - Flash and
Java isn't developed by MS and MS have no way of dictating who should
develop what. Were these items supplied by their manufaturers, the OS would
support them. It is true, and equally sad that the outside world to a large
extent have bypassed XP x64 and concentrated on Vista (although a fair bit
of the Vista x64 software that has been released, is said to be working).

Tony. . .


"Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>
> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows 2000,
> XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention whatsoever
> about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>
> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>
> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
> admit one way or the other?
>
> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit flash,
> and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version for that
> to which I say horse manure).
>
> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By the
> time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be ready
> for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>
> Microsoft, whasssup??



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by S

S
Mon Dec 24 15:58:45 PST 2007

On Dec 24, 12:43 pm, Joe Pasternak <Joepatkit5...@aol.net> wrote:
> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
> flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version
> for that to which I say horse manure).

As said, Flash was not invented, nor is it developed, by Microsoft.
It is an Adobe product, acquired when they bought Macromedia last
year. You should not feel that Windows 64-bit users are somehow
alone, Adobe currently does not have Flash for *any* 64-bit platform.
Adobe's support for 64-bit in general has been pretty lethargic.
XP64's been around for three years or so (part of that in beta), and
Vista X64 has been out about a year. The fact that there isn't even a
BETA of Flash for 64-bit is pretty depressing, especially since it's
just Flash.. Unless Flash is some super-duper complicated thing that
is harder to port to 64-bit than an entire operating system.

>
> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
> the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
> ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>
> Microsoft, whasssup??

Microsoft's 64-bit support has actually been pretty strong. They have
64-bit versions of several of their mainstream products. A few holes
here and there, but they are at least trying. There was a 64-bit
Office being talked about a while back but nothing ever came of it.
That would definitely be the killer desktop app.

I run XP64 on my Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop. I have drivers for every
device in it. I have a 64-bit version of Firefox, 64-bit newsreader,
64-bit IRC client (why?!), and 64-bit bittorrent client, along with
other apps here and there. There's no real purpose to a 64-bit IRC
client but it's cute nonetheless.

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Gary

Gary
Mon Dec 24 16:29:37 PST 2007

I have been developing software for about a decade now. Only last month did
I acquire my first 64 bit computer.
I have had a 32 bit computer ever since I bought a 30 MHz 80386 two decades
ago.
I don't know why the big shops are taking so long to come out with 64 bit
versions.

"Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>
> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows 2000,
> XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention whatsoever
> about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>
> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>
> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
> admit one way or the other?
>
> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit flash,
> and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version for that
> to which I say horse manure).
>
> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By the
> time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be ready
> for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>
> Microsoft, whasssup??


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by XS11E

XS11E
Mon Dec 24 16:42:44 PST 2007

"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote:

> I don't know why the big shops are taking so long to come out with
> 64 bit versions.

Most software shops have, with others it's a matter of insufficient
demand and with hardware it's mostly greed, by not supplying 64 bit
drivers for existing devices they can get you to buy a new one with the
64 bit drivers.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://improve-usenet.org

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Joe

Joe
Mon Dec 24 16:53:34 PST 2007

Gary Mount wrote:
> Applications written for 32 bit are compatible with 64 bit. That is, a
> 32 bit application will run on the 64 bit O/S. As long as the
> application doesn't require 32 bit drivers. Usually an application
> doesn't require drivers, only hardware does.

I know what applications require but I am not sure what your logic
requires though... If your logic is true then Photoshop CS (software, to
name a few), which DOES NOT REQUIRE 32 BIT DRIVERS, would be very much
compaatible and, according to you, should run under 64 bit WIndows XP
but it DOES NOT. So now what?

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Joe

Joe
Mon Dec 24 17:09:38 PST 2007

Tony Sperling wrote:
> You are essentially correct, but you are not being entirely fair - Flash and
> Java isn't developed by MS and MS have no way of dictating who should
> develop what. Were these items supplied by their manufaturers, the OS would
> support them. It is true, and equally sad that the outside world to a large
> extent have bypassed XP x64 and concentrated on Vista (although a fair bit
> of the Vista x64 software that has been released, is said to be working).

... Well, as a customer on a budget, should I spend hundreds of dollars
on software because hearsay indicates that it "is said to be working"
with Windows XP 64? No. No. No.

When I browse with the 64bit version of IE because I like its speed, and
suddenly I have to close it and open the 32bit version of IE because
Flash is not supported in 64, you know what comes to my mind right away?
WHAT THE FUCK!?

What we need to do here is convince Microsoft that their marketing
skills begin to suck so Ballmer needs to get off his rich ass and do a
better job convincing developers that the 64bit Windows is really a good
and fast product. Are you listening, Ballmer?

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by S

S
Mon Dec 24 21:37:19 PST 2007

On Dec 24, 5:09 pm, Joe Pasternak <Joepatkit5...@aol.net> wrote:
> What we need to do here is convince Microsoft that their marketing
> skills begin to suck so Ballmer needs to get off his rich ass and do a
> better job convincing developers that the 64bit Windows is really a good
> and fast product. Are you listening, Ballmer?

Did you even read my post? Flash does not exist for 64-bit *nix
browsers either. It's not about marketing. Adobe simply has no Flash
for 64-bit browsers and that's it.

A big reason for this I'm sure is that 32-bit browsers work just fine
under Windows and *nix. In fact on Windows 64-bit, the 32-bit IE is
the default browser, and there isn't even a facility for changing it.
(32-bit media player 11 is the default player in Vista x64 as well,
and MS didn't bother making a 64-bit MP11 for XP64)

Right now it's the best of both worlds; 32-bit apps work for the tasks
they need to work for. Any apps that are pushing the edge with 32-bit
are either already ported to 64-bit or are on their way. Did you know
in XP64 and Vista64 that *notepad.exe* is a 64-bit app? For all the
times you need to open 2GB+ text files.

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by DavidManvell

DavidManvell
Mon Dec 24 22:44:01 PST 2007

If you are running the 64 bit browser and go to a site that requires Flash,
there is often a link that takes you to their website. There is a note on
there that 64 bit version (For which OSs?) of Flash is now in the works. No
date yet of course.

David Manvell

"S.SubZero" wrote:

> On Dec 24, 5:09 pm, Joe Pasternak <Joepatkit5...@aol.net> wrote:
> > What we need to do here is convince Microsoft that their marketing
> > skills begin to suck so Ballmer needs to get off his rich ass and do a
> > better job convincing developers that the 64bit Windows is really a good
> > and fast product. Are you listening, Ballmer?
>
> Did you even read my post? Flash does not exist for 64-bit *nix
> browsers either. It's not about marketing. Adobe simply has no Flash
> for 64-bit browsers and that's it.
>
> A big reason for this I'm sure is that 32-bit browsers work just fine
> under Windows and *nix. In fact on Windows 64-bit, the 32-bit IE is
> the default browser, and there isn't even a facility for changing it.
> (32-bit media player 11 is the default player in Vista x64 as well,
> and MS didn't bother making a 64-bit MP11 for XP64)
>
> Right now it's the best of both worlds; 32-bit apps work for the tasks
> they need to work for. Any apps that are pushing the edge with 32-bit
> are either already ported to 64-bit or are on their way. Did you know
> in XP64 and Vista64 that *notepad.exe* is a 64-bit app? For all the
> times you need to open 2GB+ text files.
>

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Brian

Brian
Tue Dec 25 00:46:09 PST 2007

64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and find
myself in the same pit you're in.
If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any year,
forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the ball on this
one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008. It's free. There
are drivers and software for it.
M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I can't
walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.

"Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>
> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows 2000,
> XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention whatsoever
> about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>
> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>
> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
> admit one way or the other?
>
> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit flash,
> and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version for that
> to which I say horse manure).
>
> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By the
> time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be ready
> for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>
> Microsoft, whasssup??



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Dominic

Dominic
Tue Dec 25 01:04:54 PST 2007

There are many reports of Photoshop CS working well under x64 XP. If it
doesn't work for you there must be something unusual about your system which
is stopping it running.



#
"Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
news:477054a5$0$10957$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Gary Mount wrote:
>> Applications written for 32 bit are compatible with 64 bit. That is, a 32
>> bit application will run on the 64 bit O/S. As long as the application
>> doesn't require 32 bit drivers. Usually an application doesn't require
>> drivers, only hardware does.
>
> I know what applications require but I am not sure what your logic
> requires though... If your logic is true then Photoshop CS (software, to
> name a few), which DOES NOT REQUIRE 32 BIT DRIVERS, would be very much
> compaatible and, according to you, should run under 64 bit WIndows XP but
> it DOES NOT. So now what?


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bo

Bo
Tue Dec 25 02:48:41 PST 2007

Gary Mount wrote:
:: I have been developing software for about a decade now. Only last
:: month did I acquire my first 64 bit computer.
:: I have had a 32 bit computer ever since I bought a 30 MHz 80386
:: two decades ago.
:: I don't know why the big shops are taking so long to come out with
:: 64 bit versions.
::

They are waiting for you (and everyone else) to get a 64 bit machine.
What took you so long?!


Bo Persson



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Tue Dec 25 07:54:22 PST 2007

Why do you want a 64-bit version of Office? It doesn't do anything that
needs it.

"Brian Smith" <b4d5y@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:entoiKtRIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> 64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and find
> myself in the same pit you're in.
> If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any year,
> forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the ball on
> this one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008. It's free.
> There are drivers and software for it.
> M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I can't
> walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.
>
> "Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
> news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>>
>> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
>> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
>> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows
>> 2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention
>> whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>>
>> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>>
>> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
>> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
>> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
>> admit one way or the other?
>>
>> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
>> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
>> flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version
>> for that to which I say horse manure).
>>
>> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
>> the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
>> ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>>
>> Microsoft, whasssup??
>
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Greg

Greg
Tue Dec 25 15:42:05 PST 2007

I don't particularly care for for Office 64 bit but all other 64 bit
software is essential to go together with XP 64. If there is no support by
other than Microsoft for this product, those of us who bought XP-64 bought a
dud. I thought that Microsoft is going to top XP 64 with Vista 64 but going
back again to 32 bit vista is like stepping backwords and, if you install
the 64 bit version of Vista, I guess you're shit-out-of-luck, too..........

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1074CED9-C8D3-4C79-888D-80E5CB13BB69@microsoft.com...
> Why do you want a 64-bit version of Office? It doesn't do anything that
> needs it.
>
> "Brian Smith" <b4d5y@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:entoiKtRIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> 64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and find
>> myself in the same pit you're in.
>> If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any year,
>> forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the ball on
>> this one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008. It's free.
>> There are drivers and software for it.
>> M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I can't
>> walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.
>>
>> "Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
>> news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>>>
>>> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
>>> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
>>> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows
>>> 2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention
>>> whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>>>
>>> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>>>
>>> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box doesn't
>>> say so. Some people do have luck running these types of high-priced
>>> software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the manufacturers
>>> admit one way or the other?
>>>
>>> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
>>> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
>>> flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit version
>>> for that to which I say horse manure).
>>>
>>> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
>>> the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
>>> ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>>>
>>> Microsoft, whasssup??
>>
>>
>



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Tue Dec 25 17:42:58 PST 2007

Why? You can reinstall using Vista x86. It has to be a clean install
though. I tried it once and it appears that installing x86 over x64 does
not roll everything up into windows.old like it is supposed to so I would
format the drive first.

"Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message
news:4771954e$0$11164$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I don't particularly care for for Office 64 bit but all other 64 bit
>software is essential to go together with XP 64. If there is no support by
>other than Microsoft for this product, those of us who bought XP-64 bought
>a dud. I thought that Microsoft is going to top XP 64 with Vista 64 but
>going back again to 32 bit vista is like stepping backwords and, if you
>install the 64 bit version of Vista, I guess you're shit-out-of-luck,
>too..........
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1074CED9-C8D3-4C79-888D-80E5CB13BB69@microsoft.com...
>> Why do you want a 64-bit version of Office? It doesn't do anything that
>> needs it.
>>
>> "Brian Smith" <b4d5y@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:entoiKtRIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> 64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and find
>>> myself in the same pit you're in.
>>> If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any year,
>>> forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the ball on
>>> this one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008. It's free.
>>> There are drivers and software for it.
>>> M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I
>>> can't walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.
>>>
>>> "Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
>>> news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>>>>
>>>> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
>>>> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
>>>> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows
>>>> 2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention
>>>> whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>>>>
>>>> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>>>>
>>>> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box
>>>> doesn't say so. Some people do have luck running these types of
>>>> high-priced software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the
>>>> manufacturers admit one way or the other?
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
>>>> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
>>>> flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit
>>>> version for that to which I say horse manure).
>>>>
>>>> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
>>>> the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
>>>> ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft, whasssup??
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Greg

Greg
Wed Dec 26 04:46:56 PST 2007

Colin, I think you missed the point by a mile.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1B0D756F-220A-4AF6-9DAA-2C5DD2D57A83@microsoft.com...
> Why? You can reinstall using Vista x86. It has to be a clean install
> though. I tried it once and it appears that installing x86 over x64 does
> not roll everything up into windows.old like it is supposed to so I would
> format the drive first.
>
> "Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message
> news:4771954e$0$11164$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I don't particularly care for for Office 64 bit but all other 64 bit
>>software is essential to go together with XP 64. If there is no support by
>>other than Microsoft for this product, those of us who bought XP-64 bought
>>a dud. I thought that Microsoft is going to top XP 64 with Vista 64 but
>>going back again to 32 bit vista is like stepping backwords and, if you
>>install the 64 bit version of Vista, I guess you're shit-out-of-luck,
>>too..........
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:1074CED9-C8D3-4C79-888D-80E5CB13BB69@microsoft.com...
>>> Why do you want a 64-bit version of Office? It doesn't do anything that
>>> needs it.
>>>
>>> "Brian Smith" <b4d5y@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:entoiKtRIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> 64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and
>>>> find myself in the same pit you're in.
>>>> If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any
>>>> year, forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the
>>>> ball on this one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008.
>>>> It's free. There are drivers and software for it.
>>>> M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I
>>>> can't walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.
>>>>
>>>> "Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find for
>>>>> this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in the
>>>>> retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After Windows
>>>>> 2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no mention
>>>>> whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box
>>>>> doesn't say so. Some people do have luck running these types of
>>>>> high-priced software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the
>>>>> manufacturers admit one way or the other?
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though it
>>>>> seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64 bit
>>>>> flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit
>>>>> version for that to which I say horse manure).
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense? By
>>>>> the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll be
>>>>> ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft, whasssup??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Mel

Mel
Thu Dec 27 08:25:25 PST 2007

S.SubZero wrote:
> On Dec 24, 5:09 pm, Joe Pasternak <Joepatkit5...@aol.net> wrote:
>> What we need to do here is convince Microsoft that their marketing
>> skills begin to suck so Ballmer needs to get off his rich ass and do a
>> better job convincing developers that the 64bit Windows is really a good
>> and fast product. Are you listening, Ballmer?
>
> Did you even read my post? ------------clip----

Is your name Ballmer???

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by John

John
Thu Dec 27 13:16:22 PST 2007

Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems. That
very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit product
probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer products for
greater that 32-bit support.


"Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message
news:47724d40$0$5005$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Colin, I think you missed the point by a mile.
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1B0D756F-220A-4AF6-9DAA-2C5DD2D57A83@microsoft.com...
>> Why? You can reinstall using Vista x86. It has to be a clean install
>> though. I tried it once and it appears that installing x86 over x64 does
>> not roll everything up into windows.old like it is supposed to so I would
>> format the drive first.
>>
>> "Greg Lamonte" <lagre345@aul.com> wrote in message
>> news:4771954e$0$11164$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>I don't particularly care for for Office 64 bit but all other 64 bit
>>>software is essential to go together with XP 64. If there is no support
>>>by other than Microsoft for this product, those of us who bought XP-64
>>>bought a dud. I thought that Microsoft is going to top XP 64 with Vista
>>>64 but going back again to 32 bit vista is like stepping backwords and,
>>>if you install the 64 bit version of Vista, I guess you're
>>>shit-out-of-luck, too..........
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1074CED9-C8D3-4C79-888D-80E5CB13BB69@microsoft.com...
>>>> Why do you want a 64-bit version of Office? It doesn't do anything
>>>> that needs it.
>>>>
>>>> "Brian Smith" <b4d5y@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:entoiKtRIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> 64-bit is years ahead of itself. I purchased a Dual Core 64-bit and
>>>>> find myself in the same pit you're in.
>>>>> If I only used IE 64-bit I'd be doing fine, but Office 64-bit, any
>>>>> year, forget it. Any other software 64-bit, forget it. M$ dropped the
>>>>> ball on this one. I plan on switching to Linux Ubuntu 64-bit in 2008.
>>>>> It's free. There are drivers and software for it.
>>>>> M$, Gawd I dunno I worked for them through a partner company, but I
>>>>> can't walk the walk a talk the talk on XP64bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Joe Pasternak" <Joepatkit5768@aol.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:477019fd$0$11059$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>> It's been a little over one year that I've been using XP64.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is apparent to me by now that hardware drivers are hard to find
>>>>>> for this 64bit OS furthermore, I have NOT seen any software boxes in
>>>>>> the retail stores that claim to support Windows XP 64 bit. After
>>>>>> Windows 2000, XP, comes Vista (the 32 bit version) so there is no
>>>>>> mention whatsoever about XP 64 bit or Vista 64 bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Photoshop CS runs on XP but WILL NOT run on XP 64
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems that Photoshop CS2 will run on XP 64 but the retail box
>>>>>> doesn't say so. Some people do have luck running these types of
>>>>>> high-priced software on xp64 bit and Vista ultimate but why won't the
>>>>>> manufacturers admit one way or the other?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I like the 64 bit version of Windows XP64 - even though
>>>>>> it seems to me that even Microsoft doesn't fully support it (no 64
>>>>>> bit flash, and no 64bit IE software update, it reverts to the 32 bit
>>>>>> version for that to which I say horse manure).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is: what the hell is going on with this 64bit nonsense?
>>>>>> By the time everyone wakes up and supports this 64 bit hot air, we'll
>>>>>> be ready for 128 and maybe 256 bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft, whasssup??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Zootal

Zootal
Thu Dec 27 13:50:49 PST 2007

Manufacturers make 64 bit products if they think it will be profitable. If
not, then they don't bother. Maximizing the shareholders wealth is the main
driving force between the availability (or lack thereof) of 64 bit drivers
and applications. None of the software products I'm working on will likely
be released in a 64 bit version soon, nor are we likely to support 64 bit OS
soon. Why should we? Our stuff runs just fine as is, none of our clients
require 64 bit compability, why waste money making a 64 bit version? This is
how most manufacturers see it. And this is not likely to change until
Microsoft starts to seriously push 64 bit OS's.

I would push the blame for the lackluster support of 64 bit OS back into
Microsoft's lap. It's their OS, but they don't seem to care if anyone uses
it or not. Why? Because it's not *yet* profitable.


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:uxHvC3MSIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems. That
> very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit product
> probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer products for
> greater that 32-bit support.
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Nero

Nero
Thu Dec 27 15:42:23 PST 2007

Zootal wrote:
> None of the software products I'm working on will likely
> be released in a 64 bit version soon, nor are we likely to support 64 bit OS
> soon. Why should we? Our stuff runs just fine as is, none of our clients
> require 64 bit compability, why waste money making a 64 bit version? This is
> how most manufacturers see it. And this is not likely to change until
> Microsoft starts to seriously push 64 bit OS's.
>
> I would push the blame for the lackluster support of 64 bit OS back into
> Microsoft's lap. It's their OS, but they don't seem to care if anyone uses
> it or not. Why? Because it's not *yet* profitable.

What is profitable for Microsoft, then? Vista? Right! Vista 64? Right
again :( Windows XP 64? We know where that one went... So, the
conclusion is that nothing really is profitable for Microsoft these days
(Office 2007 yikes) because users are reluctant to separate from the
comfort of XP 32.

Why the hell did I buy XP 64 Microsoft?

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Nero

Nero
Thu Dec 27 15:45:47 PST 2007

John Barnes wrote:
> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit
> product probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer
> products for greater that 32-bit support.

You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by John

John
Thu Dec 27 18:47:37 PST 2007

It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
hardware or software side. :-) Microsoft has provided the system which will
become adopted as the need arises, as it is doing in the server area which
due to the larger memory requirements has substantially adopted 64-bit and
if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one available in a 32-bit version.
I suspect that it will be many years before the consumer market has a need
for 64-bit.


"Nero" <noroac5490@ael.com> wrote in message
news:4774392c$0$15332$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> John Barnes wrote:
>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit product
>> probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer products for
>> greater that 32-bit support.
>
> You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
> consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Thu Dec 27 19:06:30 PST 2007

Yes, Server 2008 will be the last 32-bit server. Exchange Server is already
64-bit only. The enterprise market is only buying 64-bit hardware these
days regardless of the software they are running on it so for the enterprise
market the 64-bit era is already here.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:%23nqGKwPSIHA.5136@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
> bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
> hardware or software side. :-) Microsoft has provided the system which
> will become adopted as the need arises, as it is doing in the server area
> which due to the larger memory requirements has substantially adopted
> 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one available in a
> 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many years before the consumer
> market has a need for 64-bit.
>
>
> "Nero" <noroac5490@ael.com> wrote in message
> news:4774392c$0$15332$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>>> That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to provide 64-bit
>>> product probably relates to the lack of need within most consumer
>>> products for greater that 32-bit support.
>>
>> You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it comes to
>> consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree with you :)
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by John

John
Thu Dec 27 19:12:38 PST 2007

John Barnes wrote:

> ...the server
> area which due to the larger memory requirements has substantially
> adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the last one
> available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many years
> before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.

Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also
many home users do video editing or run other memory demanding
applications (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that
the 4GB barrier will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new
32-bit machines ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to
4GB on 32-bit is pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory
address space requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming faster
than we think.

John

Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bogey

Bogey
Fri Dec 28 06:29:04 PST 2007

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> John Barnes wrote:
>
>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many
>> years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.
>
> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also many
> home users do video editing or run other memory demanding applications
> (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that the 4GB barrier
> will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new 32-bit machines ship
> with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to 4GB on 32-bit is pretty
> well a waste because of the hardware memory address space requirements so
> 64-bit for home users may be coming faster than we think.
>
> John

I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64 bit
versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
supported after a certain date.


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by John

John
Fri Dec 28 07:44:27 PST 2007

Bogey Man wrote:
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be
>>> many years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.
>>
>>
>> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also
>> many home users do video editing or run other memory demanding
>> applications (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that
>> the 4GB barrier will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new
>> 32-bit machines ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to
>> 4GB on 32-bit is pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory
>> address space requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming
>> faster than we think.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
> announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
> supported after a certain date.

Oh, I don't think that they did! Microsoft relies on a large
established base of third party software and hardware to sell its new
operating systems. By going exclusively 64-bit they would have
alienated many customers and they would have had a barrage of criticism
and complaints, it would have backfired on them. When Windows 95 was
launched, and when pure 32-bit NT was designed a conscious decision was
made to make all possible attempts to keep these operating systems
compatible with MS-DOS programs or, in the case of NT, to incorporate a
Virtual Engine to run the old 16-bit legacy applications. Microsoft
knew that a large base of installed 16-bit applications existed and that
launching an operating system that couldn't run these old applications
was a recipe for disaster, it was a marketing/design decision that
ultimately turned out to be key to the wide acceptance and success of
the Windows operating system.

If Microsoft had announced the end of 32-bit support with Vista it would
have been a marketing disaster. It may not be important to you or many
other users but I assure you that many will be on 32-bit for a while
yet, that applies especially to the small/medium size business market.
Contrary to what some might think most companies don't have unlimited
amounts of money available to spend and even more surprising to some
folks, computers and software are not the first place or most important
place for these small firms to put their money. The need for financing
of income producing assets usually comes before IT expenditures. In
some of these small firms a considerable amount of money may have
already been invested in software and hardware, spending even more to
replace that software or hardware for no good reason other than "things
run on 64-bit now" is simply not an option for most companies. The
switch to 64-bit is underway and it is unavoidable but I think that if
you had $50,000 of software or a $10,000 plotter that couldn't run on
64-bit you would not be so keen on making the switch!

I know of doctors who have perfectly good medical imaging equipment
worth more than $100,000 and that only run on DOS, these doctors have no
intentions of replacing their old operating systems with 64-bit Vista!
Less extreme than that are freelance professionals, or small
manufacturing or engineering firms who have expensive drafting software
and plotters, they too are in no hurry to spend $50,000 for new software
and hardware just to be in the 64-bit loop!

John


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Fri Dec 28 07:59:30 PST 2007

Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any more?
The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their software, not
dictate to them what they should or should not do. The marketplace will
dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue with 32-bit software.

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
news:eM4AC4VSIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> ...the server area which due to the larger memory requirements has
>>> substantially adopted 64-bit and if I recall, server 2008 will be the
>>> last one available in a 32-bit version. I suspect that it will be many
>>> years before the consumer market has a need for 64-bit.
>>
>> Don't be so sure, game makers are always pushing the envelope. Also many
>> home users do video editing or run other memory demanding applications
>> (like PhotoShop), I think it won't be all that long that the 4GB barrier
>> will be busted by many home users. Nowadays most new 32-bit machines
>> ship with 2GB of RAM, anything in the order of 3GB to 4GB on 32-bit is
>> pretty well a waste because of the hardware memory address space
>> requirements so 64-bit for home users may be coming faster than we think.
>>
>> John
>
> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista. They should have just put out 64 bit versions and
> announce at the same time that 32 bit operating systems would not be
> supported after a certain date.


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Marc

Marc
Fri Dec 28 08:04:07 PST 2007


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.

Geez, Barnes, M$ pays you for public relations?

The reason the "two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems" are "stable,"
is because they lack third party driver/software support. I am sure you
figured this out for yourself, didn't you?



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Marc

Marc
Fri Dec 28 08:07:50 PST 2007


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message

> It would appear that the lack of research was on the part of someone who
> bought an operating system for which they had no need, neither on the
> hardware or software side. :-)

I agree with you, sort of like buying a can of sardines in the grocery store
thinking it was a can of Caviar :-)




Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Marc

Marc
Fri Dec 28 08:13:26 PST 2007


"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message

> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
> bit versions of Vista.

It doesn't really matter because, according to the press, neither one is
ready for prime time, just like Linux he he he. Besides, I read somewhere
that the 32 bit version of Vista runs slower than the 32 bit version of XP



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bo

Bo
Fri Dec 28 09:00:59 PST 2007

Nero wrote:
:: John Barnes wrote:
::: Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating
::: systems. That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to
::: provide 64-bit product probably relates to the lack of need
::: within most consumer products for greater that 32-bit support.
::
:: You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it
:: comes to consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree
:: with you :)

The reason for Microsoft to release XP-64 was that they had promised
AMD to do so. What else should an Athlon 64 use for an OS?!


Bo Persson



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Fri Dec 28 09:28:26 PST 2007

MS released XP Pro x64 as the client for Windows Server 2003 x64 and for
workstation users. The memory limitations of x86 was probably the biggest
reason workstation users wanted it.

"Bo Persson" <bop@gmb.dk> wrote in message
news:5tkodrF1dnoepU1@mid.individual.net...
> Nero wrote:
> :: John Barnes wrote:
> ::: Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating
> ::: systems. That very few other manufacturers have seen fit to
> ::: provide 64-bit product probably relates to the lack of need
> ::: within most consumer products for greater that 32-bit support.
> ::
> :: You are saying in essence that Microsoft really flopped when it
> :: comes to consumer research and marketing intelligence. I agree
> :: with you :)
>
> The reason for Microsoft to release XP-64 was that they had promised AMD
> to do so. What else should an Athlon 64 use for an OS?!
>
>
> Bo Persson
>
>


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Homer

Homer
Fri Dec 28 09:36:51 PST 2007

>> Microsoft has provided two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems.
>
> Geez, Barnes, M$ pays you for public relations?
>
> The reason the "two stable 64-bit consumer operating systems" are
> "stable," is because they lack third party driver/software support. I am
> sure you figured this out for yourself, didn't you?

I'm not sure where you're going with this. If you're trying to say that
shoddy drivers are more prone to take down an OS (*any* OS), then yeah,
that's common knowledge and should be no surprise to anyone.


As for myself, I've been using XP x64 as my primary OS since mid-2005 or so,
and I can't think of any hardware I have that doesn't have good drivers.
The last time I saw a BSOD was due to a bad third-party RAID driver.



Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bogey

Bogey
Sat Dec 29 06:43:44 PST 2007

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:OHhylhWSIHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Bogey Man wrote:
>> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
>> news:eSgHo9PSIHA.5404@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> John Barnes wrote:
Snip--------------------------
> I know of doctors who have perfectly good medical imaging equipment worth
> more than $100,000 and that only run on DOS, these doctors have no
> intentions of replacing their old operating systems with 64-bit Vista!
> Less extreme than that are freelance professionals, or small manufacturing
> or engineering firms who have expensive drafting software and plotters,
> they too are in no hurry to spend $50,000 for new software and hardware
> just to be in the 64-bit loop!
>
> John

If these people have no intention of changing software, why change operating
systems? Vista 32 offers nothing of value over XP except for annoyances and
would be a waste of resources to invest in an operating system that in
reality offers most people nothing worth the money.....if it ain't broke
don't fix it.


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bogey

Bogey
Sat Dec 29 06:45:28 PST 2007


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their software,
> not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The marketplace
> will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue with 32-bit
> software.

People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
Take that support away and they will eventually change.
--
Ron P

Member of the ignored generation


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bogey

Bogey
Sat Dec 29 06:46:48 PST 2007

"Marc Desiderius" <lmarcode@lefeuvre.net> wrote in message
news:4775209b$0$8817$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
>
>> I think that Microsoft just blew it when they put out both 32 bit and 64
>> bit versions of Vista.
>
> It doesn't really matter because, according to the press, neither one is
> ready for prime time, just like Linux he he he. Besides, I read somewhere
> that the 32 bit version of Vista runs slower than the 32 bit version of XP

It must have been are real reliable and famous source if you can't remember
it.


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by John

John
Sat Dec 29 08:09:23 PST 2007

You do sound like someone who is scared to make up their mind and NEEDS
someone else to do it for you. You must feel really insecure having made
the move to 64-bit and looking around and seeing most people happy and
functionally rewarded staying with 32-bit. Many still have functional and
necessary programs that are 16-bit and won't run on 64-bit Windows.
May I suggest that you would probably be more comfortable in Cuba or North
Korea where you won't have to feel insecure about your decisions and you
won't even need to make them.
Microsoft is not autocratic over the market and will provide what the
customers (end users and builders) want, which will be influenced by their
comfort level and future needs.

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
news:uplV1liSIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
>> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
>> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their
>> software, not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The
>> marketplace will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue
>> with 32-bit software.
>
> People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
> Take that support away and they will eventually change.
> --
> Ron P
>
> Member of the ignored generation


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Colin

Colin
Sat Dec 29 08:48:33 PST 2007

If their stuff works, why should they change?

"Bogey Man" <spam@kwic.com> wrote in message
news:uplV1liSIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:AF140EA7-85D3-48B8-9E12-3F150418622F@microsoft.com...
>> Why? 32-bit stuff works fine. Why tell people they can't use it any
>> more? The idea is for MS to help people to continue to run their
>> software, not dictate to them what they should or should not do. The
>> marketplace will dictate when it no longer makes any sense to continue
>> with 32-bit software.
>
> People will run whatever they have as long as it works and is supported.
> Take that support away and they will eventually change.
> --
> Ron P
>
> Member of the ignored generation


Re: Where is the software support for 64 bit Windows? by Bogey

Bogey
Sun Dec 30 08:04:50 PST 2007

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:%23WNI4UjSIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> You do sound like someone who is scared to make up their mind and NEEDS
> someone else to do it for you. You must feel really insecure having made
>