Tony
Sat Mar 01 03:08:02 PST 2008
Oh yes, Philo, I agree completely. I wouldn't dream of fixing that - except
maybe on a week-end - as an overture to buying a replacement?
Tony. . .
"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
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> > Yes, these are good points - I even remember Tom's Hardware had an
article
> > once about searching out bad capacitors, I'll try and see if I can find
> that
> > one, and hopefully isolate the problem somewhat. It's allways nice to
hand
> > it over to the shop and tell them to look for something specific - it'll
> > usually impress them if you are right, and they'll be looking hard for
> > something else on their own. Maybe. . .?
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
>
>
> If it's got bad capacitors, they are very easy to spot...
> but if that's the case...get a new mobo.
>
> The labor charge to replace the caps would be more than a new mobo...
>
> not only that even if the known bad caps are replaced,
> there will be other bad ones that are either not obvious...
> or will fail a little later
>
>
> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
message
> > news:FFDFEC2E-7749-4651-9F44-E6F808A11884@microsoft.com...
> > > Seasonic are good. Very good. but as you say, it could still be that.
> > > However, I'm more inclined to think it's a bad capacitor, shorting to
> > > ground. The reason is that it takes a little time (as it starts to
warm
> > up)
> > > before it fails. That capacitor could be on the mobo, in the PSU, or
> even
> > on
> > > a plug in card.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charlie.
> > >
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
> > >
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> > > news:%23E$qFh0eIHA.1132@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > > > This is my problem - the Seasonic is extremely good quality. It's of
> the
> > > > kind you look and see the quality of a gem. That doesn't prevent it
> from
> > > > having a bad component, but this component could just as easily have
a
> > > > point
> > > > of weakness that is triggered by something else as it could be
having
> a
> > > > 'load' problem on it's own? The same goes for the motherboard. I
think
> > > > this
> > > > is a troubleshooters nightmare if you are not in a position where
you
> > have
> > > > the equipment to test your way methodically through all the
> sub-systems.
> > > >
> > > > But - I am beginning to realize that I am a bit lucky as well,
because
> I
> > > > am
> > > > about to order a very expensive monitor from the people who build
the
> > > > machine according to my specifications. I am certainly not going to
do
> > > > that
> > > > before I have seen how they handle this critical mission - and this
> puts
> > > > me
> > > > in a situation where I can let them get a 'whif' of my intensions.
> After
> > > > all, if it's the motherboard, it will be a borderline warranty
> affair -
> > if
> > > > it's the PSU there is no question. I want to make sure that they
will
> > not
> > > > jump at the chance to rip me off for a new board while swapping out
> the
> > > > PSU
> > > > from one of their demo machines! Or something?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I do agree. This could well be the board, but I will be much
less
> > > > likely to uncover that myself, if it is. I think for the moment,
that
> > > > Carlo's idea of stripping it down, see'ing if it has any effect at
all
> > has
> > > > the best kind of methodology (is that the word?) I can hope for. If
it
> > > > doesn't reveal anything - then I will be much more likely to throw
it
> at
> > > > the
> > > > motherboard. Right now, it'll be blowing in the wind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony. . .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:0930DE69-95F1-4AE1-B12E-9B188E5BC0C8@microsoft.com...
> > > >> The psu usually shows up as a problem during boot (that is the
> heaviest
> > > >> load). I would investigate the mobo.
> > > >>
> > > >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
> > > >> news:O$bZYAzeIHA.4744@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > > >> > It's not that I'm really whining, but I certainly had my share of
> > > >> > misfortunes just now! (I probably deserve it) My 64bit system
> > commited
> > > >> > suicide and the good old retired Athlon XP 2400+ machine, that I
> > > > enlisted
> > > >> > as
> > > >> > an immidiate reservist, refused to acknowledge that it had a
> > perfectly
> > > >> > good
> > > >> > HD a short while ago! A new flat-cable sorted that one after
quite
> a
> > > >> > bit
> > > >> > of
> > > >> > rummaging.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So, folks: "Here I am - back at the old Win2K, for now". What a
> > > > wonderful
> > > >> > machine this is - it never ceases to amaze me! I'll be reading
over
> > > >> > your
> > > >> > shoulders for a while now!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I can't really figure out what happened with the FX-62 system,
> > though,
> > > >> > since
> > > >> > I wasn't in the room when it shut down. When I restart, it may
run
> > for
> > > >> > a
> > > >> > couple of minutes, or 20 perhaps, and one time it shut down
shortly
> > > > after
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > entered the BIOS Setup. It's not hot at all, this is the
'Coolest'
> > > > system
> > > >> > I've ever had (in every respect). It inhabits a Antec box with a
> > > > Seasonic
> > > >> > PSU and a handfull of fans. I did manage to see the readout a few
> > > > times -
> > > >> > CPU 29*, MB 33*, and GPU 43* (threshold at 126*!) I spent a whole
> day
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > there and the only suspect I can come up with is the Seasonic - I
> > hope
> > > > it
> > > >> > is, because I think I can remember it came with a five year
> warranty.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Avast has not made a sound or anything. The last thing I did was
on
> > the
> > > >> > twin
> > > >> > XP Home system where I had mistakenly installed the Asus Tool
> > 'AI-Nap'
> > > >> > when
> > > >> > I rebuild that system a short while ago, I had removed that two
or
> > > >> > three
> > > >> > days earlier because it slowed down that system quite severely.
> > > >> > Removing
> > > >> > it
> > > >> > was a bit of an ordeal since parts of it kept popping up, but a
few
> > > >> > days
> > > >> > before that had stopped completely.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > But this has taken me so long that I'm effectively stuck with the
> > > >> > carcas
> > > >> > over the week-end. If anybody have any idea what else I can put
> under
> > > > the
> > > >> > looking glass until then - let's hear it, please!
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Tony. . .
> > > >> >
> > > >> > (sigh!)
> > > >> >
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