Vista Consumer release January, 2007

SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay the
consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system to
January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006, sending its
shares down nearly 3 percent.

Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November and
then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping season,
Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services Division,
said on a conference call.

<snip>

Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall quality,
particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the operating
system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new version
would create instability in the market. ...


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Andre
Tue Mar 21 19:47:41 CST 2006

I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so ready
for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting it in
November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to Businesses.
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"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
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>
> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay the
> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system to
> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006, sending
> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>
> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping
> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
> Division, said on a conference call.
>
> <snip>
>
> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new
> version would create instability in the market. ...
>
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>

John
Tue Mar 21 20:08:37 CST 2006

And businesses are generally the slowest to adopt a new technology. They
generally want a seasoned system, not state of the art.


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting it
>in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to Businesses.
> --
> --
> Andre
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> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay the
>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system to
>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006, sending
>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>
>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping
>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new
>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>
>

Andre
Tue Mar 21 21:03:01 CST 2006

Yeah, but as long as they get the software promised to them when they signed
up for Software Assurance, they will upgrade at their own leisure.
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"John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
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> And businesses are generally the slowest to adopt a new technology. They
> generally want a seasoned system, not state of the art.
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uvTsjQVTGHA.1728@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>>I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting it
>>in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>Businesses.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
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>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>> the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating
>>> system to January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of
>>> 2006, sending its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>
>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping
>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>> new version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Charlie
Wed Mar 22 00:20:04 CST 2006

The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's it's
money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps the ship
date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas sales, big time.
This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.

--
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting it
> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
> Businesses. --
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>
>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay the
>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system to
>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006, sending
>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>
>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping
>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new
>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

Andre
Wed Mar 22 00:36:28 CST 2006

More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect Dell,
HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
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"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
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> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps the
> ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas sales,
> big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting it
>> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>> Businesses. --
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>> the
>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>> to
>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006, sending
>>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>
>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday shopping
>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>> new
>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>
>

Barb
Wed Mar 22 04:22:33 CST 2006

MSNBC just said delayed "because of security issues"...

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:23:14 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:

>Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall quality,
>particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the operating
>system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new version
>would create instability in the market. ...
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Homer
Wed Mar 22 07:58:20 CST 2006

> plans to delay the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista
> operating system to January 2007
[...]
> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
[...]

> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
> quality,

So, when compared to the "consumer" release, doesn't that imply that the
corporate customers are gonna get a crappier/not-as-polished version?

Andre
Wed Mar 22 08:01:56 CST 2006

Has Vista gotten bird flu?
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"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> MSNBC just said delayed "because of security issues"...
>
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:23:14 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
> <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:
>
>>Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>quality,
>>particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the operating
>>system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a new version
>>would create instability in the market. ...
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS Windows-MVP
> Expert Zone Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

Michael
Wed Mar 22 08:33:09 CST 2006

"Homer J. Simpson" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>> plans to delay the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista
>> operating system to January 2007
> [...]
>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
> [...]
>
>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>> quality,
>
> So, when compared to the "consumer" release, doesn't that imply that the
> corporate customers are gonna get a crappier/not-as-polished version?
>
>

Probably they need time to work on the consumer-only features (like Media
Center.) Maybe also it'll be RTM in November, so you can, e.g. download it
from MSDN, but general store available wouldn't be for a month or two.

Charlie
Wed Mar 22 09:04:08 CST 2006

I think you're wrong. I think it will have a significant negative impact on
everyone in the business.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
> --
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:unVlxiXTGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
>> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps
>> the ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas
>> sales, big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting
>>> it in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>> Businesses. --
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>>> the
>>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>>> to
>>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006,
>>>> sending its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday
>>>> shopping season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms
>>>> & Services Division, said on a conference call.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>>> new
>>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

John
Wed Mar 22 09:30:20 CST 2006

The last time something somewhat like this happened was prior to XP
being released and then most of the big guys offered guaranteed free
upgrades to XP or upgrades at the simple cost of shipping and handling
of the media. Of course Microsoft had to be part of the scheme.
Nonetheless, who wants to buy a pc then 2 months later reinstall or
(egad) do an in-place upgrade! Not to mention that probably 75% or more
of the people who buy "out of the box" computers hardly have the
faintest notion how to reinstall an operating system, and those who do
wonder how well thing may or may not go. If I was to buy a new pc and
knowing that a new Windows was scheduled to be out in less than a month
or two, I would wait... unless I had absolutely no choice. So I think
you're right Charlie, it may impact Christmas sales, a very important
reporting period/quarter for some of these outfits. But then the
revenue/earnings might just be delayed to the next quarter.

John

Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:

> I think you're wrong. I think it will have a significant negative impact on
> everyone in the business.
>

Charlie
Wed Mar 22 09:54:09 CST 2006

Some will be delayed. Some will simply not happen. If you've got "x" dollars
in the budget, and you don't buy for the holidays, you'll spend some portion
of x in other holiday gifts. This can mean that there's no longer enough
left for a new computer. Or it may mean a longer wait than just a month or
two.

OTOH, those of us who've been watching the Vista process for the last couple
of years could hardly be surprised. I haven't thought they had a chance in
the world of meeting their original "summer of 2006" date for at least 6
months. I _did_ think they'd squeeze it in to 2006 up until quite recently.
(And no, the very limited business release in November doesn't count, IMHO.)


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John John wrote:
> The last time something somewhat like this happened was prior to XP
> being released and then most of the big guys offered guaranteed free
> upgrades to XP or upgrades at the simple cost of shipping and handling
> of the media. Of course Microsoft had to be part of the scheme.
> Nonetheless, who wants to buy a pc then 2 months later reinstall or
> (egad) do an in-place upgrade! Not to mention that probably 75% or more
> of the people who buy "out of the box" computers hardly have the
> faintest notion how to reinstall an operating system, and those who do
> wonder how well thing may or may not go. If I was to buy a new pc and
> knowing that a new Windows was scheduled to be out in less than a month
> or two, I would wait... unless I had absolutely no choice. So I think
> you're right Charlie, it may impact Christmas sales, a very important
> reporting period/quarter for some of these outfits. But then the
> revenue/earnings might just be delayed to the next quarter.
>
> John
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
>
>> I think you're wrong. I think it will have a significant negative impact
>> on everyone in the business.

Andre
Wed Mar 22 10:00:47 CST 2006

All of the SKU's will be ready this year, just that Microsoft is gonna sit
on the consumer SKUs (as Jim Allchin puts it) until January. So, no SKU will
be better than the other. Businesses do not necessarily buy new PC's in
holiday season to get a new OS. Some are under signed contracts to receive
the media.
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"Homer J. Simpson" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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>> plans to delay the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista
>> operating system to January 2007
> [...]
>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
> [...]
>
>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>> quality,
>
> So, when compared to the "consumer" release, doesn't that imply that the
> corporate customers are gonna get a crappier/not-as-polished version?
>
>

John
Wed Mar 22 10:06:31 CST 2006

Not to mention that when you change the OS, out goes your product support.
Who knows what level of driver and software will be available early on.
Since all Vista logo hardware and software will have to be able to run on
both 32 and 64 bit systems, I bet that a lot of products won't have the logo
and buyers will want to know that everything that came with the computer
will run with the new OS. XP was a mess for months after release and that
didn't include major support changes, such as all the 16-bit software a lot
of consumers have used for years that won't work and 32-bit products with
16-bit installers. Can anyone say consumer nightmare?



"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:uEiAuVcTGHA.2276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> The last time something somewhat like this happened was prior to XP being
> released and then most of the big guys offered guaranteed free upgrades to
> XP or upgrades at the simple cost of shipping and handling of the media.
> Of course Microsoft had to be part of the scheme. Nonetheless, who wants
> to buy a pc then 2 months later reinstall or (egad) do an in-place
> upgrade! Not to mention that probably 75% or more of the people who buy
> "out of the box" computers hardly have the faintest notion how to
> reinstall an operating system, and those who do wonder how well thing may
> or may not go. If I was to buy a new pc and knowing that a new Windows
> was scheduled to be out in less than a month or two, I would wait...
> unless I had absolutely no choice. So I think you're right Charlie, it
> may impact Christmas sales, a very important reporting period/quarter for
> some of these outfits. But then the revenue/earnings might just be
> delayed to the next quarter.
>
> John
>
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
>
>> I think you're wrong. I think it will have a significant negative impact
>> on everyone in the business.
>>
>

Gene
Wed Mar 22 10:27:14 CST 2006

> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.

HP announced that they support this move by MS.

Gene


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:unVlxiXTGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
>> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps
>> the ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas
>> sales, big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting
>>> it
>>> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>> Businesses. --
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>>> the
>>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>>> to
>>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006,
>>>> sending
>>>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday
>>>> shopping
>>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>>>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>>> new
>>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>>
>
>

John
Wed Mar 22 10:33:28 CST 2006

But a small percentage of businesses adopt early. Most wait 1-4 years.


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> All of the SKU's will be ready this year, just that Microsoft is gonna sit
> on the consumer SKUs (as Jim Allchin puts it) until January. So, no SKU
> will be better than the other. Businesses do not necessarily buy new PC's
> in holiday season to get a new OS. Some are under signed contracts to
> receive the media.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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>
> "Homer J. Simpson" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:e3EQribTGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> plans to delay the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista
>>> operating system to January 2007
>> [...]
>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>> [...]
>>
>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>> quality,
>>
>> So, when compared to the "consumer" release, doesn't that imply that the
>> corporate customers are gonna get a crappier/not-as-polished version?
>>
>>
>
>

Charlie
Wed Mar 22 11:27:36 CST 2006

Dell, OTOH, was noticeably silent yesterday.

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Gene wrote:
>> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
>> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
>
> HP announced that they support this move by MS.
>
> Gene
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u4Xm7rXTGHA.4264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
>> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:unVlxiXTGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
>>> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps
>>> the ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas
>>> sales, big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>
>>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting
>>>> it
>>>> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>>> Businesses. --
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>>>> the
>>>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>>>> to
>>>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006,
>>>>> sending
>>>>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in
>>>>> November and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the
>>>>> holiday shopping
>>>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms &
>>>>> Services Division, said on a conference call.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>>>> new
>>>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64

Larry
Wed Mar 22 12:09:00 CST 2006

I disagree. It will hurt them all. Consumers are more likely to wait for a
Vista machine. A lot of consumers buy Dell, HP and Gateway. Just look at
the brands in Office Depot. HP and Gateway.

If the public at large wasn't aware of Vista, you might be right. But the
MS hype machine has been churning away, and most "non IT" folks do know
about it.

I expect many vendors to offer free Vista upgrades in the pre-Christmas
sales to help negate the delayed release.

-Larry

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:u4Xm7rXTGHA.4264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
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>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:unVlxiXTGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
>> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps
>> the ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas
>> sales, big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting
>>> it
>>> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>> Businesses. --
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>>> the
>>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>>> to
>>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006,
>>>> sending
>>>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday
>>>> shopping
>>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms & Services
>>>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>>> new
>>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>>
>
>

Andre
Wed Mar 22 12:24:39 CST 2006

That should also be taken into account, but the contracts are under a given
period, so if you signed for 2 years, you are expecting to get Vista in that
2 years and upgrade at your own pace.
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"John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
news:e7jre5cTGHA.5500@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> But a small percentage of businesses adopt early. Most wait 1-4 years.
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23BFmMncTGHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> All of the SKU's will be ready this year, just that Microsoft is gonna
>> sit on the consumer SKUs (as Jim Allchin puts it) until January. So, no
>> SKU will be better than the other. Businesses do not necessarily buy new
>> PC's in holiday season to get a new OS. Some are under signed contracts
>> to receive the media.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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>>
>> "Homer J. Simpson" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
>> news:e3EQribTGHA.4608@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> plans to delay the consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows
>>>> Vista operating system to January 2007
>>> [...]
>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in November
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>> quality,
>>>
>>> So, when compared to the "consumer" release, doesn't that imply that the
>>> corporate customers are gonna get a crappier/not-as-polished version?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Andre
Wed Mar 22 12:28:41 CST 2006

Well, offering upgrade coupons will be a good incentive anyway, its just the
thought that it will be up to the consumer to do the upgrade that bothers
me. So yes, there are some negatives, but it won't have a major impact on
the PC sales.
--
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"Larry Hodges" <2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
news:u9OdnRBWGMohD7zZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>I disagree. It will hurt them all. Consumers are more likely to wait for
>a Vista machine. A lot of consumers buy Dell, HP and Gateway. Just look
>at the brands in Office Depot. HP and Gateway.
>
> If the public at large wasn't aware of Vista, you might be right. But the
> MS hype machine has been churning away, and most "non IT" folks do know
> about it.
>
> I expect many vendors to offer free Vista upgrades in the pre-Christmas
> sales to help negate the delayed release.
>
> -Larry
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:u4Xm7rXTGHA.4264@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> More like the small ones (not really popular ones). This won't affect
>> Dell, HP, Gateway, Sony and other major OEMs.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connect | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:unVlxiXTGHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> The OEMs are the ones who will be hurting the most from this. MS get's
>>> it's money first and foremost from the corporate customers, plus keeps
>>> the ship date in the quarter. The OEMs and system builders lose xmas
>>> sales, big time. This is going to hurt their partners in a serious way.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>
>>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>>> I thought it was delayed at the request of OEMs, since they weren't so
>>>> ready for it yet. Also, Volume License customers will still be getting
>>>> it
>>>> in November, so, its still going to be shipped in 2006, only to
>>>> Businesses. --
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:%23edd58UTGHA.5332@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it plans to delay
>>>>> the
>>>>> consumer launch of its much-anticipated Windows Vista operating system
>>>>> to
>>>>> January 2007 from its earlier target of the second half of 2006,
>>>>> sending
>>>>> its shares down nearly 3 percent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft plans to launch a product for corporate customers in
>>>>> November
>>>>> and then roll out Windows Vista for consumers after the holiday
>>>>> shopping
>>>>> season, Jim Allchin, co-president of the company's Platforms &
>>>>> Services
>>>>> Division, said on a conference call.
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft said Vista is delayed because it wants to improve overall
>>>>> quality, particularly in security, and that PC makers didn't want the
>>>>> operating system introduced in the middle of holiday sales, because a
>>>>> new
>>>>> version would create instability in the market. ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

John
Wed Mar 22 12:41:41 CST 2006

They can use their "x" dollars and buy X-Boxes for the kids instead.
That ought to keep the kids happy for a while. ;-) Should keep MS happy
too...

John

Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:

> Some will be delayed. Some will simply not happen. If you've got "x" dollars
> in the budget, and you don't buy for the holidays, you'll spend some portion
> of x in other holiday gifts. This can mean that there's no longer enough
> left for a new computer. Or it may mean a longer wait than just a month or
> two.
>
> OTOH, those of us who've been watching the Vista process for the last couple
> of years could hardly be surprised. I haven't thought they had a chance in
> the world of meeting their original "summer of 2006" date for at least 6
> months. I _did_ think they'd squeeze it in to 2006 up until quite recently.
> (And no, the very limited business release in November doesn't count, IMHO.)
>
>