"Upgrade" pricing - How?

As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at MS
and tell them we're ready?
Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them from
MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade offer? If
so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?

Aaron
Wed Dec 20 00:12:07 CST 2006

I doubt you'll be able to until Vista becomes available to the general
public on January 30. Then, you just order an upgrade version.

- Aaron

"DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
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>
> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at MS
> and tell them we're ready?
> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them from
> MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade offer? If
> so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>
>
>
>
>
>

John
Wed Dec 20 04:51:37 CST 2006

As Aaron said, but be prepared to have to install it onto a second partition
and do a juggling act to get the computer set up practically. XP X64
license will be invalid, but you will have a partition left with it
installed, probably with your boot files on it.

"DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at MS
> and tell them we're ready?
> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them from
> MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade offer? If
> so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Theo
Wed Dec 20 06:05:49 CST 2006

Why would you want to juggle things around? Why not just
delete the current x64 installation and install a fresh
Vista x64 in its place?

John Barnes wrote:
> As Aaron said, but be prepared to have to install it onto a second
> partition and do a juggling act to get the computer set up practically.
> XP X64 license will be invalid, but you will have a partition left with
> it installed, probably with your boot files on it.
>
> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone
>> at MS and tell them we're ready?
>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them
>> from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade
>> offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

DP
Wed Dec 20 06:29:51 CST 2006


There is no upgrade path directly from x64 to Vista, so there is no upgrade
version of Vista compatible with x64.
What we have been told is that we will have to buy a full version, but will
be eligible for "upgrade pricing." Just wondering how that works.
Whether we'll be sent a coupon, an email, a special site to buy this from,
etc.
Basically, I just wanted to make sure no other XP x64 users had already
gotten something I hadn't gotten, hence my question here.


"Aaron Kelley" <aaronkelley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23LV3H3$IHHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I doubt you'll be able to until Vista becomes available to the general
>public on January 30. Then, you just order an upgrade version.
>
> - Aaron
>
> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at
>> MS and tell them we're ready?
>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them
>> from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade
>> offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Theo
Wed Dec 20 07:07:04 CST 2006

I guess your posting seems a bit odd. If Vista is not
available until Jan 30, 2007, then how would anyone obtain
an "upgrade" without you knowing about it.

When the upgrade is available, you can be sure the
information will be disseminated, it won't be a secret!


DP wrote:
> There is no upgrade path directly from x64 to Vista, so there is no upgrade
> version of Vista compatible with x64.
> What we have been told is that we will have to buy a full version, but will
> be eligible for "upgrade pricing." Just wondering how that works.
> Whether we'll be sent a coupon, an email, a special site to buy this from,
> etc.
> Basically, I just wanted to make sure no other XP x64 users had already
> gotten something I hadn't gotten, hence my question here.
>
>
> "Aaron Kelley" <aaronkelley@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23LV3H3$IHHA.1816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I doubt you'll be able to until Vista becomes available to the general
>> public on January 30. Then, you just order an upgrade version.
>>
>> - Aaron
>>
>> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at
>>> MS and tell them we're ready?
>>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them
>>> from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade
>>> offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

John
Wed Dec 20 08:43:54 CST 2006

Upgrade pricing for Vista 64 requires that it be clean installed from the XP
X-64 desktop. The last time it was posted by Darrell Gorter (MSFT). I
haven't seen any changes posted.

"Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:et4Ox8CJHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Why would you want to juggle things around? Why not just delete the
> current x64 installation and install a fresh Vista x64 in its place?
>
> John Barnes wrote:
>> As Aaron said, but be prepared to have to install it onto a second
>> partition and do a juggling act to get the computer set up practically.
>> XP X64 license will be invalid, but you will have a partition left with
>> it installed, probably with your boot files on it.
>>
>> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone at
>>> MS and tell them we're ready?
>>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them
>>> from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade
>>> offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Theo
Wed Dec 20 09:14:04 CST 2006

I am familiar with that but in another Vista group it was
posted that even though the upgrade was initiated from an
active installation you have the option to delete the
current OS (Win XP - appropriate version) and do a clean
install in the partition you just started from.


John Barnes wrote:
> Upgrade pricing for Vista 64 requires that it be clean installed from
> the XP X-64 desktop. The last time it was posted by Darrell Gorter
> (MSFT). I haven't seen any changes posted.
>
> "Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:et4Ox8CJHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Why would you want to juggle things around? Why not just delete the
>> current x64 installation and install a fresh Vista x64 in its place?
>>
>> John Barnes wrote:
>>> As Aaron said, but be prepared to have to install it onto a second
>>> partition and do a juggling act to get the computer set up
>>> practically. XP X64 license will be invalid, but you will have a
>>> partition left with it installed, probably with your boot files on it.
>>>
>>> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>>>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone
>>>> at MS and tell them we're ready?
>>>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>>>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to
>>>> them from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this
>>>> upgrade offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

HDFatBoy2003
Wed Dec 20 10:00:19 CST 2006

If you run the install from the XP x64 desktop as a clean install Vista64
will just take the XP x64 directory and move it to windows.old. Then you
can delete this directory through the disk cleanup facility.

"Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:uvzV#lEJHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I am familiar with that but in another Vista group it was posted that even
>though the upgrade was initiated from an active installation you have the
>option to delete the current OS (Win XP - appropriate version) and do a
>clean install in the partition you just started from.
>
>
> John Barnes wrote:
>> Upgrade pricing for Vista 64 requires that it be clean installed from the
>> XP X-64 desktop. The last time it was posted by Darrell Gorter (MSFT).
>> I haven't seen any changes posted.
>>
>> "Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:et4Ox8CJHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Why would you want to juggle things around? Why not just delete the
>>> current x64 installation and install a fresh Vista x64 in its place?
>>>
>>> John Barnes wrote:
>>>> As Aaron said, but be prepared to have to install it onto a second
>>>> partition and do a juggling act to get the computer set up practically.
>>>> XP X64 license will be invalid, but you will have a partition left with
>>>> it installed, probably with your boot files on it.
>>>>
>>>> "DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23zM0pfzIHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> As x64 users, we're supposed to qualify for upgrade pricing on Vista.
>>>>> So, how do we make good on that? Are we supposed to contact someone
>>>>> at MS and tell them we're ready?
>>>>> Will Microsoft contact us to tell us how to do this?
>>>>> Has any XPx64 user on this forum gotten any kind of info sent to them
>>>>> from MS telling them how they are to take advantage of this upgrade
>>>>> offer? If so, how'd you get it? Via email? Postal service?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Colin
Wed Dec 20 11:18:50 CST 2006

Correct, except there is no clean install option in Vista. It is a Custom
install.

"HDFatBoy2003" <HD_FatBoy_2003@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8AA403DF-B8A3-4F0C-90AB-B6AB8660F7B8@microsoft.com...
> If you run the install from the XP x64 desktop as a clean install Vista64
> will just take the XP x64 directory and move it to windows.old. Then you
> can delete this directory through the disk cleanup facility.
>

DP
Wed Dec 20 12:09:34 CST 2006


"Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:u4fKAfDJHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I guess your posting seems a bit odd. If Vista is not available until Jan
>30, 2007, then how would anyone obtain an "upgrade" without you knowing
>about it.
>
> When the upgrade is available, you can be sure the information will be
> disseminated, it won't be a secret!
>

One of the upgrade ooptions from X64 is the business version, which is out
now, which is why I asked now.
Does my question still seem "odd" now?

Aaron
Wed Dec 20 13:10:10 CST 2006

If you have a licensing deal with Microsoft (the only way to get Vista now
AFAIK), then the option should be available to you through those channels.

- Aaron

"DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
news:%23AjCFIGJHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:u4fKAfDJHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I guess your posting seems a bit odd. If Vista is not available until Jan
>>30, 2007, then how would anyone obtain an "upgrade" without you knowing
>>about it.
>>
>> When the upgrade is available, you can be sure the information will be
>> disseminated, it won't be a secret!
>>
>
> One of the upgrade ooptions from X64 is the business version, which is out
> now, which is why I asked now.
> Does my question still seem "odd" now?
>

John
Wed Dec 20 14:18:07 CST 2006

Good to hear, since that is not what Darrell said originally.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:932F4BFB-CB5F-4534-9238-6257C12AFF3F@microsoft.com...
> Correct, except there is no clean install option in Vista. It is a Custom
> install.
>
> "HDFatBoy2003" <HD_FatBoy_2003@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:8AA403DF-B8A3-4F0C-90AB-B6AB8660F7B8@microsoft.com...
>> If you run the install from the XP x64 desktop as a clean install Vista64
>> will just take the XP x64 directory and move it to windows.old. Then you
>> can delete this directory through the disk cleanup facility.
>>
>

Dennis
Wed Dec 20 15:06:38 CST 2006

Dennis:
I purchased Vista Business with S/A which was upgraded to
Enterprise. Installing Vista Enterprise x64 on this computer with XP x64
installed there was no upgrade installation option only custom either
running from within the x64 operating system or booting from the DVD. Also
with RC1 or RC2 Ultimate installed there is no upgrade path because
Enterprise is different than Ultimate. The Vista upgrade version PK haven't
been released yet, probably January 30, 2007 or later, so that makes
information speculative at this time. Have a great holiday.

--
Dennis Pack
Vista x64 Enterprise
Office 2007
"DP" <nospamxx@xyzddd.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Theo" <tvf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:u4fKAfDJHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I guess your posting seems a bit odd. If Vista is not available until Jan
>>30, 2007, then how would anyone obtain an "upgrade" without you knowing
>>about it.
>>
>> When the upgrade is available, you can be sure the information will be
>> disseminated, it won't be a secret!
>>
>
> One of the upgrade ooptions from X64 is the business version, which is out
> now, which is why I asked now.
> Does my question still seem "odd" now?
>

HDFatBoy2003
Wed Dec 20 15:21:20 CST 2006

True, whether you boot from the DVD or begin the install from within XP X64
(at least during Beta 2/RC 1/RC 2) Custom = Clean. There is no real upgrade
of the installed OS available.

Bottom line, when you "upgrade" XP x64 you are actually performing a
clean\custom install. If you don't format the hard drive then you're left
with the windows.old folder if you format then you don't have the
windows.old folder.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:932F4BFB-CB5F-4534-9238-6257C12AFF3F@microsoft.com...
> Correct, except there is no clean install option in Vista. It is a Custom
> install.
>
> "HDFatBoy2003" <HD_FatBoy_2003@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:8AA403DF-B8A3-4F0C-90AB-B6AB8660F7B8@microsoft.com...
>> If you run the install from the XP x64 desktop as a clean install Vista64
>> will just take the XP x64 directory and move it to windows.old. Then you
>> can delete this directory through the disk cleanup facility.
>>
>

Colin
Wed Dec 20 16:03:33 CST 2006

Unfortunately Custom does not equal clean if you assume as many do that
clean means a reformat of the hard drive. Custom does not do that. Worse,
I found an offbeat Custom installation scenario in which the system files
were rolled up into windows.old but the old program files folder structure
was left intact with all the programs in place (but not installed). Almost
anything is possible. Caution is the watchword here.

"HDFatBoy2003" <HD_FatBoy_2003@msn.com> wrote in message
news:9DCFCB3A-5536-47B7-9654-DDFC1BCD33E3@microsoft.com...
> True, whether you boot from the DVD or begin the install from within XP
> X64 (at least during Beta 2/RC 1/RC 2) Custom = Clean. There is no real
> upgrade of the installed OS available.
>
> Bottom line, when you "upgrade" XP x64 you are actually performing a
> clean\custom install. If you don't format the hard drive then you're left
> with the windows.old folder if you format then you don't have the
> windows.old folder.
>

John
Wed Dec 20 16:59:56 CST 2006

This is the reply that I was referring to in the earlier post. Guess this
has been superseded.

Hello John,
I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot and
system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
remove the temp files out from under setup.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:B975BEA1-1CA0-49C6-B91E-1C169F45C9EB@microsoft.com...
> Unfortunately Custom does not equal clean if you assume as many do that
> clean means a reformat of the hard drive. Custom does not do that.
> Worse, I found an offbeat Custom installation scenario in which the system
> files were rolled up into windows.old but the old program files folder
> structure was left intact with all the programs in place (but not
> installed). Almost anything is possible. Caution is the watchword here.
>
> "HDFatBoy2003" <HD_FatBoy_2003@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:9DCFCB3A-5536-47B7-9654-DDFC1BCD33E3@microsoft.com...
>> True, whether you boot from the DVD or begin the install from within XP
>> X64 (at least during Beta 2/RC 1/RC 2) Custom = Clean. There is no real
>> upgrade of the installed OS available.
>>
>> Bottom line, when you "upgrade" XP x64 you are actually performing a
>> clean\custom install. If you don't format the hard drive then you're
>> left with the windows.old folder if you format then you don't have the
>> windows.old folder.
>>
>

Colin
Wed Dec 20 18:23:49 CST 2006

No, that is consistent with what I have seen so far. A Custom install to a
second drive would be to a system disk but not the boot disk, so there are
issues some folks would prefer not to have. There appear to be challenges
in some upgrade scenarios, like migrating from Windows 2000 in a single
drive system using an Upgrade Edition product key. It will be interesting
to see how that is handled. I await Jan 30 and the answers to these kinds
of setups with interest.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:uwEqWqIJHHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> This is the reply that I was referring to in the earlier post. Guess this
> has been superseded.
>
> Hello John,
> I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
> remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
> volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot
> and
> system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
> partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
> remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
> the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
> remove the temp files out from under setup.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights

John
Wed Dec 20 19:02:20 CST 2006

I'm confused. Above you agreed that someone could just replace their XP
volume from within that volume and everything would be okay. XP would just
be folded into .old files and the Vista install would just replace it.
Most posters are going to have 1 XP system (86 or 64) on the first
partition of the 0 drive.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8AAF1205-04D5-40F6-9053-EF4A5F7758CC@microsoft.com...
> No, that is consistent with what I have seen so far. A Custom install to
> a second drive would be to a system disk but not the boot disk, so there
> are issues some folks would prefer not to have. There appear to be
> challenges in some upgrade scenarios, like migrating from Windows 2000 in
> a single drive system using an Upgrade Edition product key. It will be
> interesting to see how that is handled. I await Jan 30 and the answers to
> these kinds of setups with interest.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:uwEqWqIJHHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> This is the reply that I was referring to in the earlier post. Guess
>> this has been superseded.
>>
>> Hello John,
>> I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
>> remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
>> volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot
>> and
>> system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
>> partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
>> remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
>> the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
>> remove the temp files out from under setup.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights
>

John
Wed Dec 20 19:09:52 CST 2006

The qualifying OS would be the boot volume (partition) since the boot
volume is the volume of the active OS. It may or may not be the system
volume depending on priority of the drive and whether the volume is active.
"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:8AAF1205-04D5-40F6-9053-EF4A5F7758CC@microsoft.com...
> No, that is consistent with what I have seen so far. A Custom install to
> a second drive would be to a system disk but not the boot disk, so there
> are issues some folks would prefer not to have. There appear to be
> challenges in some upgrade scenarios, like migrating from Windows 2000 in
> a single drive system using an Upgrade Edition product key. It will be
> interesting to see how that is handled. I await Jan 30 and the answers to
> these kinds of setups with interest.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:uwEqWqIJHHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> This is the reply that I was referring to in the earlier post. Guess
>> this has been superseded.
>>
>> Hello John,
>> I don't think so I haven't tried that scenario, you will not be able to
>> remove the underlying OS from the volume(either the boot or the system
>> volume), clean install would need to be to another volume. If the boot
>> and
>> system partitions were different you may be able to remove the boot
>> partition( the one that contains \windows), but you wouldn't be able to
>> remove the "system" partition ( the one containing the boot files) since
>> the Windows Vista temp files are located on that volume and you can't
>> remove the temp files out from under setup.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights
>

Colin
Wed Dec 20 20:04:10 CST 2006

I was talking about how to do the equivalent of a classic clean installation
in XP. But you can use the upgrade option when running from an XP desktop
to accomplish it in the scenario I painted.

With Windows 2000 you cannot use the upgrade option in Setup. Although, you
are entitled to upgrade edition pricing, that does not mean that you have
upgrade functionality (as in doing an upgrade-in-place) like you do when
upgrding XP. Notice that all the cells in the Upgrade Matrix on GetReady
are yellow for W2k.

I am interested in how MS has worked this out for W2k users with single
drive systems. I can see how they might have allowed a Custom install to a
second drive, but what if there is no second drive? I don't think we are
going to get the complete picture before January now.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:OCuzwuJJHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I'm confused. Above you agreed that someone could just replace their XP
> volume from within that volume and everything would be okay. XP would
> just be folded into .old files and the Vista install would just replace
> it.
> Most posters are going to have 1 XP system (86 or 64) on the first
> partition of the 0 drive.
>

John
Thu Dec 21 08:01:09 CST 2006

Volume = partition not second drive.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:572FF0DE-828F-43E2-B702-4EAA3EAB7747@microsoft.com...
>I was talking about how to do the equivalent of a classic clean
>installation in XP. But you can use the upgrade option when running from
>an XP desktop to accomplish it in the scenario I painted.
>
> With Windows 2000 you cannot use the upgrade option in Setup. Although,
> you are entitled to upgrade edition pricing, that does not mean that you
> have upgrade functionality (as in doing an upgrade-in-place) like you do
> when upgrding XP. Notice that all the cells in the Upgrade Matrix on
> GetReady are yellow for W2k.
>
> I am interested in how MS has worked this out for W2k users with single
> drive systems. I can see how they might have allowed a Custom install to
> a second drive, but what if there is no second drive? I don't think we
> are going to get the complete picture before January now.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:OCuzwuJJHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I'm confused. Above you agreed that someone could just replace their XP
>> volume from within that volume and everything would be okay. XP would
>> just be folded into .old files and the Vista install would just replace
>> it.
>> Most posters are going to have 1 XP system (86 or 64) on the first
>> partition of the 0 drive.
>>
>

Colin
Thu Dec 21 08:36:41 CST 2006

I fail to see how that is going to be a general solution. Partitioning a
system disk into two volumes cannot be assumed to be something that W2k
users can even do in order to make a place to install Vista. In most cases
it will not be possible to shrink the system volume sufficiently due to the
placement of unmovable system files.

Anyway, there has to be a one-button solution, not a geek solution, for
upgrading to Vista for folks running W2k on a single drive system. I
suspect that W2k (and XP x64) users will only have a custom installation
into the same volume as their option and nothing else.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:ekrr9hQJHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Volume = partition not second drive.
>

John
Thu Dec 21 10:20:37 CST 2006

Does not the same apply to an upgrade custom install of any XP version. It
is just required for win2k and x64. Requires a geek solution most won't be
ready for.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:AFB29575-5916-4C23-A737-C27A8AAFA948@microsoft.com...
>I fail to see how that is going to be a general solution. Partitioning a
>system disk into two volumes cannot be assumed to be something that W2k
>users can even do in order to make a place to install Vista. In most cases
>it will not be possible to shrink the system volume sufficiently due to the
>placement of unmovable system files.
>
> Anyway, there has to be a one-button solution, not a geek solution, for
> upgrading to Vista for folks running W2k on a single drive system. I
> suspect that W2k (and XP x64) users will only have a custom installation
> into the same volume as their option and nothing else.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:ekrr9hQJHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Volume = partition not second drive.
>>
>

Colin
Thu Dec 21 10:58:52 CST 2006

No. When you run the Vista upgrade edition on XP you will have upgrade
enabled in Setup and most folks will do just that. The problem with W2k and
XP x64 is that upgrade will be disabled.

Depending on what is on the hard drive, using a custom install is going to
result in a windows.old file of considerable proportions and it is not
intuitive what to do with it.

Surely MS has a cleaner solution that doesn't require a geek to perform. I
have never known them to sell an upgrade edition that was intended to "just
work." It will be interesting to see what that solution turns out to be.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:uphr6vRJHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Does not the same apply to an upgrade custom install of any XP version.
> It is just required for win2k and x64. Requires a geek solution most
> won't be ready for.
>
>

John
Thu Dec 21 11:38:24 CST 2006

I don't think you are reading (understanding) my post question.

Custom (clean) install from any version of XP, which obviously resides on
the boot and probably the system volume (partition) will have to be
installed on a different partition from the boot OS.

You seem to be saying that only applies to a custom (clean) install of win2k
or x64 which require a custom (clean) install.





"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:A90E8325-1FCF-4F0B-BF60-AEB9881BB834@microsoft.com...
> No. When you run the Vista upgrade edition on XP you will have upgrade
> enabled in Setup and most folks will do just that. The problem with W2k
> and XP x64 is that upgrade will be disabled.
>
> Depending on what is on the hard drive, using a custom install is going to
> result in a windows.old file of considerable proportions and it is not
> intuitive what to do with it.
>
> Surely MS has a cleaner solution that doesn't require a geek to perform.
> I have never known them to sell an upgrade edition that was intended to
> "just work." It will be interesting to see what that solution turns out
> to be.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:uphr6vRJHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Does not the same apply to an upgrade custom install of any XP version.
>> It is just required for win2k and x64. Requires a geek solution most
>> won't be ready for.
>>
>>
>

Colin
Thu Dec 21 12:14:06 CST 2006

First of all, custom does NOT equal clean, if by clean you mean reformat and
install. It just doesn't.

Second, you can perform a custom install to the same volume as the boot OS.


"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:e4KrVbSJHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I don't think you are reading (understanding) my post question.
>
> Custom (clean) install from any version of XP, which obviously resides on
> the boot and probably the system volume (partition) will have to be
> installed on a different partition from the boot OS.
>
> You seem to be saying that only applies to a custom (clean) install of
> win2k or x64 which require a custom (clean) install.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:A90E8325-1FCF-4F0B-BF60-AEB9881BB834@microsoft.com...
>> No. When you run the Vista upgrade edition on XP you will have upgrade
>> enabled in Setup and most folks will do just that. The problem with W2k
>> and XP x64 is that upgrade will be disabled.
>>
>> Depending on what is on the hard drive, using a custom install is going
>> to result in a windows.old file of considerable proportions and it is not
>> intuitive what to do with it.
>>
>> Surely MS has a cleaner solution that doesn't require a geek to perform.
>> I have never known them to sell an upgrade edition that was intended to
>> "just work." It will be interesting to see what that solution turns out
>> to be.
>>
>> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
>> news:uphr6vRJHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Does not the same apply to an upgrade custom install of any XP version.
>>> It is just required for win2k and x64. Requires a geek solution most
>>> won't be ready for.
>>>
>>>
>>
>