Translation or MUI planned or what ?

Hello all,

As many of us, I enjoy the new x64 model, using XP or 2003 but am quite
disappointed there are only 2 languages (plus German as a MUI for XP)
existing right now...

Can someone tell me where I can find information about release date for
other languages ?


PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when you
consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish around the
world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal with Chinese...


Regards

Andre
Tue May 17 10:53:46 CDT 2005

Its in here:
This FAQ will also be published on the Technology Advancement Program site:
https://microsoft.productorder.com/serverx64/default.aspx

I know this is lengthy but it should answer some of your questions:






Q: What languages are available?

A: Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition is available in English and Japanese,
with Multilingual Interface Packs (MUIs) available in the languages listed
below. As the product MUI Packs release during Q2 2005, they will be posted
the Technology Advancement Program website for download. The following
languages will have MUI Packs available for download:



a.. German
b.. French
c.. Spanish
d.. Italian
e.. Korean
f.. Chinese Simplified
g.. Chinese Traditional
h.. Japanese


Q: What is a Multilingual User Interface?

A: A Multilingual User Interface (MUI) runs on top of the English version of
Windows and provides a translated user interface for the customer. With the
exception of a few minor differences, localized versions of Windows are the
same as the MUI version on English Windows Server 2003 from a feature and
architectural point of view,



Q: Where will the MUI packs be located for download?

A: MUI packs will be available in early May by download from the client and
server pages.

Client: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx

Server: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/default.mspx




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"Coercitas" <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uNbF8ltWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hello all,
>
> As many of us, I enjoy the new x64 model, using XP or 2003 but am quite
> disappointed there are only 2 languages (plus German as a MUI for XP)
> existing right now...
>
> Can someone tell me where I can find information about release date for
> other languages ?
>
>
> PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when you
> consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish around the
> world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal with Chinese...
>
>
> Regards
>
>

Coercitas
Tue May 17 12:30:32 CDT 2005

Hello Andre and thanx for your polite answer (I say "polite" because I
realise my own post wasn't that kind).


Regards


"Andre Da Costa" <andred25@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
eFSPgivWFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Its in here:
> This FAQ will also be published on the Technology Advancement Program
site:
> https://microsoft.productorder.com/serverx64/default.aspx
>
> I know this is lengthy but it should answer some of your questions:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Q: What languages are available?
>
> A: Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition is available in English and Japanese,
> with Multilingual Interface Packs (MUIs) available in the languages listed
> below. As the product MUI Packs release during Q2 2005, they will be
posted
> the Technology Advancement Program website for download. The following
> languages will have MUI Packs available for download:
>
>
>
> a.. German
> b.. French
> c.. Spanish
> d.. Italian
> e.. Korean
> f.. Chinese Simplified
> g.. Chinese Traditional
> h.. Japanese
>
>
> Q: What is a Multilingual User Interface?
>
> A: A Multilingual User Interface (MUI) runs on top of the English version
of
> Windows and provides a translated user interface for the customer. With
the
> exception of a few minor differences, localized versions of Windows are
the
> same as the MUI version on English Windows Server 2003 from a feature and
> architectural point of view,
>
>
>
> Q: Where will the MUI packs be located for download?
>
> A: MUI packs will be available in early May by download from the client
and
> server pages.
>
> Client: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx
>
> Server: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/default.mspx
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Joe Swart [MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights.
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions. Please use these
> newsgroups.
> --
>
> Andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
>
>
> "Coercitas" <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uNbF8ltWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > As many of us, I enjoy the new x64 model, using XP or 2003 but am quite
> > disappointed there are only 2 languages (plus German as a MUI for XP)
> > existing right now...
> >
> > Can someone tell me where I can find information about release date for
> > other languages ?
> >
> >
> > PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when
you
> > consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish around
the
> > world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal with
Chinese...
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
>
>

Andre
Tue May 17 14:00:15 CDT 2005

I didn't detect any impoliteness?
--

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"Coercitas" <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:O3U$hYwWFHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Hello Andre and thanx for your polite answer (I say "polite" because I
> realise my own post wasn't that kind).
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa" <andred25@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> eFSPgivWFHA.1148@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Its in here:
>> This FAQ will also be published on the Technology Advancement Program
> site:
>> https://microsoft.productorder.com/serverx64/default.aspx
>>
>> I know this is lengthy but it should answer some of your questions:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Q: What languages are available?
>>
>> A: Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition is available in English and Japanese,
>> with Multilingual Interface Packs (MUIs) available in the languages
>> listed
>> below. As the product MUI Packs release during Q2 2005, they will be
> posted
>> the Technology Advancement Program website for download. The following
>> languages will have MUI Packs available for download:
>>
>>
>>
>> a.. German
>> b.. French
>> c.. Spanish
>> d.. Italian
>> e.. Korean
>> f.. Chinese Simplified
>> g.. Chinese Traditional
>> h.. Japanese
>>
>>
>> Q: What is a Multilingual User Interface?
>>
>> A: A Multilingual User Interface (MUI) runs on top of the English version
> of
>> Windows and provides a translated user interface for the customer. With
> the
>> exception of a few minor differences, localized versions of Windows are
> the
>> same as the MUI version on English Windows Server 2003 from a feature and
>> architectural point of view,
>>
>>
>>
>> Q: Where will the MUI packs be located for download?
>>
>> A: MUI packs will be available in early May by download from the client
> and
>> server pages.
>>
>> Client: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx
>>
>> Server: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/64bit/x64/default.mspx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Joe Swart [MSFT]
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions. Please use these
>> newsgroups.
>> --
>>
>> Andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> "Coercitas" <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uNbF8ltWFHA.2912@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > As many of us, I enjoy the new x64 model, using XP or 2003 but am quite
>> > disappointed there are only 2 languages (plus German as a MUI for XP)
>> > existing right now...
>> >
>> > Can someone tell me where I can find information about release date for
>> > other languages ?
>> >
>> >
>> > PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when
> you
>> > consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish around
> the
>> > world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal with
> Chinese...
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Christophe
Thu May 19 00:13:24 CDT 2005

Hi,

Coercitas wrote:
> PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when
> you consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish
> around the world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal
> with Chinese...

German and Japanese are generally the first two non-English languages
available for a product. Why those two? This is for "testing" purposes.
German words and labels are generally longer and it helps detecting if all
UI elements have enough room for all localized versions. Japanese uses
another character encoding.

That's why...

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Coercitas
Thu May 19 01:51:48 CDT 2005

Thanx for this reply, it fits with what I was assuming but I still think
that 2-3 months are much too long for a "translation".

MSDN Website doesn't really provide enought informations about datelines...

"Christophe Lauer [MS]" <clauer@online.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: OSCE#FDXFHA.3584@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Coercitas wrote:
> > PS : really surprised there are releases for German and Japanese when
> > you consider there are much more people speaking French or Spanish
> > around the world...can someone explain that ? I prefer not even deal
> > with Chinese...
>
> German and Japanese are generally the first two non-English languages
> available for a product. Why those two? This is for "testing" purposes.
> German words and labels are generally longer and it helps detecting if all
> UI elements have enough room for all localized versions. Japanese uses
> another character encoding.
>
> That's why...
>
> --
> Christophe Lauer - Relations Techniques Editeurs de Logiciels
> Division Développeurs et Plateforme d'Entreprise - Microsoft France
> http://www.microsoft.com/france/msdn/
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>

Christophe
Thu May 19 05:22:28 CDT 2005

Hi,

Coercitas wrote:
> Thanx for this reply, it fits with what I was assuming but I still
> think that 2-3 months are much too long for a "translation".

It's not only about translation. Once the translationa are done, the
products will have to go through intensite quality testing, which obviously
takes time given the number of different languages.

> MSDN Website doesn't really provide enought informations about
> datelines...

The nice thing about MUIs is that you can start deploy Windows x64 English
today, and later apply the MUI for your prefered language.

Regards,

--
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Division Développeurs et Plateforme d'Entreprise - Microsoft France
http://www.microsoft.com/france/msdn/
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NNBXX
Thu May 19 05:34:35 CDT 2005

Like French language, for example ;)

Regards,

Jean-Baptiste Faure


"Christophe Lauer [MS]" <clauer@online.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: %23GUsqyFXFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Coercitas wrote:
>> Thanx for this reply, it fits with what I was assuming but I still
>> think that 2-3 months are much too long for a "translation".
>
> It's not only about translation. Once the translationa are done, the
> products will have to go through intensite quality testing, which
> obviously takes time given the number of different languages.
>
>> MSDN Website doesn't really provide enought informations about
>> datelines...
>
> The nice thing about MUIs is that you can start deploy Windows x64 English
> today, and later apply the MUI for your prefered language.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Christophe Lauer - Relations Techniques Editeurs de Logiciels
> Division Développeurs et Plateforme d'Entreprise - Microsoft France
> http://www.microsoft.com/france/msdn/
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>

Christophe
Thu May 19 05:47:33 CDT 2005

NNBXX wrote:
> Like French language, for example ;)


Correct ;)

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Coercitas
Thu May 19 06:36:16 CDT 2005

Not really, due to links in your START menu.

There are many incorrect behaviours when you don't really use the same
language on servers than on clients.

For my own point of view, everything should be in english (don't understand
I think it is legit, I only think we have to chose a simple language and
english is the simplest I know, there is no flame nor anything in this
sentence, just something most people realised at least once when learning a
new language). Unfortunately, many people have a real problem with foreign
languages, so...

I'm not wiling to start a debate (nor flame) but I don't think it is fair to
throw English (and German / Japanese in this case) 6 months before other
languages...especially when you know those languages are supported in 32
bits and Itanium versions of the exact same OS...6 months is much too long
for a company like Microsoft.

Linux is much faster and made of volunteers for example...an example
Microsoft should learn to consider and follow.


"Christophe Lauer [MS]" <clauer@online.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: ugeiwAGXFHA.1468@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> NNBXX wrote:
> > Like French language, for example ;)
>
>
> Correct ;)
>
> --
> Christophe Lauer - Relations Techniques Editeurs de Logiciels
> Division Développeurs et Plateforme d'Entreprise - Microsoft France
> http://blogs.microsoft.fr/clauer/
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>

Christian
Thu May 19 09:36:39 CDT 2005

Christophe Lauer [MS] <clauer@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> NNBXX wrote:
>> Like French language, for example ;)
>
>
> Correct ;)
who needs french language anyway ;);)



--
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Johannesburg - South Africa
http://msmvps.com/xpditif

NNBXX
Thu May 19 09:42:08 CDT 2005

LOL !!!!

"Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:%23Sfw2AIXFHA.3248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Christophe Lauer [MS] <clauer@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> NNBXX wrote:
>>> Like French language, for example ;)
>>
>>
>> Correct ;)
> who needs french language anyway ;);)
>
>
>
> --
> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> Johannesburg - South Africa
> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>

Coercitas
Thu May 19 09:47:48 CDT 2005

People who once went to school ? :o)


"NNBXX" <jbfaure@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
#3GvwDIXFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> LOL !!!!
>
> "Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in
> message news:%23Sfw2AIXFHA.3248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Christophe Lauer [MS] <clauer@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> NNBXX wrote:
> >>> Like French language, for example ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> Correct ;)
> > who needs french language anyway ;);)
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> > Johannesburg - South Africa
> > http://msmvps.com/xpditif
> >
>
>

Christian
Thu May 19 12:40:20 CDT 2005

Coercitas <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> People who once went to school ? :o)
>
>
> "NNBXX" <jbfaure@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message
> de news: #3GvwDIXFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> LOL !!!!
>>
>> "Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com>
>> wrote in message news:%23Sfw2AIXFHA.3248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> Christophe Lauer [MS] <clauer@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> NNBXX wrote:
>>>>> Like French language, for example ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Correct ;)
>>> who needs french language anyway ;);)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
>>> Johannesburg - South Africa
>>> http://msmvps.com/xpditif

Never mind, I'm french speaking, it's my mother tongue...
--
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Johannesburg - South Africa
http://msmvps.com/xpditif

Coercitas
Thu May 19 13:13:55 CDT 2005

I live in Paris, I'm french and I clearly don't feel insulted in this post,
so I don't mind :)

As long as I can discuss with people in their own language about my tongue
being cool / efficient / nice or dunno what, I really don't mind, at least I
comprehend and I like humor :)


"Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> a écrit dans
le message de news: #wOChnJXFHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Coercitas <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > People who once went to school ? :o)
> >
> >
> > "NNBXX" <jbfaure@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message
> > de news: #3GvwDIXFHA.2796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> LOL !!!!
> >>
> >> "Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com>
> >> wrote in message news:%23Sfw2AIXFHA.3248@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>> Christophe Lauer [MS] <clauer@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>>> NNBXX wrote:
> >>>>> Like French language, for example ;)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Correct ;)
> >>> who needs french language anyway ;);)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> >>> Johannesburg - South Africa
> >>> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>
> Never mind, I'm french speaking, it's my mother tongue...
> --
> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> Johannesburg - South Africa
> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>
>

Christian
Thu May 19 13:29:40 CDT 2005

Coercitas <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Paris, I'm french and I clearly don't feel insulted in this
> post, so I don't mind :)
>
> As long as I can discuss with people in their own language about my
> tongue being cool / efficient / nice or dunno what, I really don't
> mind, at least I comprehend and I like humor :)
>
>
Tout va donc pour le mieux.

Cheers
--
Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
Johannesburg - South Africa
http://msmvps.com/xpditif

NNBXX
Thu May 19 13:37:51 CDT 2005

Effectivement ;)

"Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:%23PNmFDKXFHA.3464@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Coercitas <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I live in Paris, I'm french and I clearly don't feel insulted in this
>> post, so I don't mind :)
>>
>> As long as I can discuss with people in their own language about my
>> tongue being cool / efficient / nice or dunno what, I really don't
>> mind, at least I comprehend and I like humor :)
>>
>>
> Tout va donc pour le mieux.
>
> Cheers
> --
> Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> Johannesburg - South Africa
> http://msmvps.com/xpditif
>

Bruno
Thu May 19 16:22:45 CDT 2005

Points taken, thanks for the feedback.

Indeed, a large part of the translation is identical to other versions of
Windows and the delay between English and MUI releases is mostly due to time
required to test.

This has been completed for German, Japanese, French, Spanish and Italian
and the remaining languages should be done in a few weeks. Add some extra
time for actual availability depending on your distribution channel and/or
location.

Bruno Lewin [MSFT]
x64 MUI Program Manager
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Christian
Thu May 19 23:54:05 CDT 2005

Bruno Lewin [MS] <blewin@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Points taken, thanks for the feedback.
>
> Indeed, a large part of the translation is identical to other
> versions of Windows and the delay between English and MUI releases is
> mostly due to time required to test.
>
> This has been completed for German, Japanese, French, Spanish and
> Italian and the remaining languages should be done in a few weeks.
> Add some extra time for actual availability depending on your
> distribution channel and/or location.
>
> Bruno Lewin [MSFT]
> x64 MUI Program Manager
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights. Ce message est fourni en l'état, sans garantie d'aucune
> sorte, et ne vous confère aucun droit. Vous assumez tous les risques
> liés à son utilisation.

Hi Bruno,

Nice to see you here. I'm happy to see some many softies involved here ;)

Cheers

--
Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
Johannesburg - South Africa
http://msmvps.com/xpditif

Coercitas
Fri May 20 01:59:17 CDT 2005

hé hé, bah moi ça va parfaitement :o)

Let's keep it in English.

The only reason why I feel (I am actually) impatient is for testing purpose
since my society - insurance society, thus HUGE databases, so very long
batches running each night - needs to rewrite most of our applications
(migrating from the laughable "windev" to Visual Studio .NET) with french
language components...

We already use x64 for SQL servers (but SQL 2005 is only a beta server,
doh...) and let me tell you I really enjoy the performance boost (around 35%
time save).


So I asked because I didn't found any information about release dates (I use
MSDN Universal as a main information center).


That's all :)


"NNBXX" <jbfaure@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
OR2oeHKXFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Effectivement ;)
>
> "Christian Hougardy (MS MVP XP)" <christian.hougardy@gmail.com> wrote in
> message news:%23PNmFDKXFHA.3464@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Coercitas <coercitas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I live in Paris, I'm french and I clearly don't feel insulted in this
> >> post, so I don't mind :)
> >>
> >> As long as I can discuss with people in their own language about my
> >> tongue being cool / efficient / nice or dunno what, I really don't
> >> mind, at least I comprehend and I like humor :)
> >>
> >>
> > Tout va donc pour le mieux.
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Christian Hougardy (MS XP MVP)
> > Johannesburg - South Africa
> > http://msmvps.com/xpditif
> >
>
>