Tired with 64-bit version

Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
version was a straight install, not an upgrade.

John
Wed Jun 29 18:37:01 CDT 2005

Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to install
from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete the
current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.


"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.

Sposda
Wed Jun 29 21:02:02 CDT 2005

I have a second drive that i use for storage, can i remove the power to the
main drive and make the other drive a master and then install 32-bit version
of xp on there?

"John Barnes" wrote:

> Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to install
> from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete the
> current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>
>
> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
> > Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
> > 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> > version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>
>
>

Intel_Fan
Wed Jun 29 21:07:47 CDT 2005

Sure but remove both the power and the data cables. An unpowered drive
loading the IDE controller may possibly damage the controller.

"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FA297A82-9720-482B-BF1B-E112C019FF48@microsoft.com...
>I have a second drive that i use for storage, can i remove the power to the
> main drive and make the other drive a master and then install 32-bit
> version
> of xp on there?
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to install
>> from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete the
>> current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>>
>>
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
>> > Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
>> > 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
>> > version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>

Darrellg
Wed Jun 29 21:55:20 CDT 2005

Hello,
It may be better to not delete the partition. If you delete the partition,
you have to create a new partition before formatting.
Since the drive letter was used with the old partition, when you create the
new partition, it will get the next available drive letter not the previous
drive letter of the old partition. Drive letters are not re-enumerated
during this process so the old drive or the initial partition is not used.
it will get a new drive letter like F: since there are two drives and
cd-rom I presume.
Simplify formatting the partition should take care of the issue and
preserve the drive lettering.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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John
Wed Jun 29 22:56:52 CDT 2005

If you want to keep x64, why don't you just leave it the way it is set up.
You can select the other drive to install on when offered during the
install. Since you will be installing x86 after x64, you should make copies
of the ntldr ntdetect.com before you install x86 and then replace them on
the boot drive after the install. Then you can check the boot.ini in system
properties and set it to boot to the system you want.
"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FA297A82-9720-482B-BF1B-E112C019FF48@microsoft.com...
>I have a second drive that i use for storage, can i remove the power to the
> main drive and make the other drive a master and then install 32-bit
> version
> of xp on there?
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to install
>> from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete the
>> current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>>
>>
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
>> > Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
>> > 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
>> > version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>

Charlie
Thu Jun 30 01:07:03 CDT 2005

Ah, that explains much. I actually thought it re-enumerated them. Thanks for
the clarification (and it explains a couple of machines that boot into "H:"
or it's equivalent.)

--
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


"Darrell Gorter[MSFT]" wrote:
> Hello,
> It may be better to not delete the partition. If you delete the
> partition, you have to create a new partition before formatting.
> Since the drive letter was used with the old partition, when you
> create the new partition, it will get the next available drive letter
> not the previous drive letter of the old partition. Drive letters
> are not re-enumerated during this process so the old drive or the
> initial partition is not used. it will get a new drive letter like F:
> since there are two drives and cd-rom I presume.
> Simplify formatting the partition should take care of the issue and
> preserve the drive lettering.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights --------------------
> <From: "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net>
> <References: <FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com>
> <Subject: Re: Tired with 64-bit version
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> <Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to
> install <from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to
> delete the <current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
> <
> <
> <"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> <news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
> <> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to
> uninstall the <> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version
> of xp? The 64-bit <> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
> <
> <
> <

Julian
Thu Jun 30 05:38:13 CDT 2005

Why don't you just install the x86 to the second drive as is ?

This will give you a x86/x64 dual-boot setup -- and as soon as the issue=
s =

with the x64 are resolved, you can remove the x86 version by deleting th=
e =

folders and editing the boot.ini, leaving you with the x64 only - unless=
=

you're using the trial version of the x64, and don't have a full copy ye=
t ?

Apart from the current drivers issues, language issues, and availability=
=

issues, there's really very little reason NOT to use the x64 IMO, it's =

simply a better OS overall... if you can eventually obtain the drivers y=
ou =

need, the needed MUI package, and of course the RTM CD, why not just try=
=

and stick with it ?

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:02:02 +0200, Sposda =

<Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I have a second drive that i use for storage, can i remove the power t=
o =

> the
> main drive and make the other drive a master and then install 32-bit =

> version
> of xp on there?
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to inst=
all
>> from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete th=
e
>> current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>>
>>
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
>> > Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall=
=

>> the
>> > 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-=
bit
>> > version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>



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Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

R
Thu Jun 30 10:04:03 CDT 2005

Me, too!

After lots of hassles which are too much to go into here, my 32-bit WinXP is
now in U:\Windows. :>( And that's even though both C: and D: are unused in
that installation.

Oh, well. If it bugs me too much before time to retire 32-bit permanently,
I guess I can repartition/reformat that HD as I clean install 32-bit AGAIN.
So far, I've used the in-place upgrade - to preserve installed apps,
drivers, settings, etc. - but that obviously does not repartition/reformat,
so I'm still stuck with whatever letters the enumeration process finds
pre-assigned for my System Partition and Boot Volume.

Thanks for that tidbit, Darrell.

RC
--
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San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:uPxuwnTfFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Ah, that explains much. I actually thought it re-enumerated them. Thanks
> for the clarification (and it explains a couple of machines that boot into
> "H:" or it's equivalent.)
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>
>
> "Darrell Gorter[MSFT]" wrote:
>> Hello,
>> It may be better to not delete the partition. If you delete the
>> partition, you have to create a new partition before formatting.
>> Since the drive letter was used with the old partition, when you
>> create the new partition, it will get the next available drive letter
>> not the previous drive letter of the old partition. Drive letters
>> are not re-enumerated during this process so the old drive or the
>> initial partition is not used. it will get a new drive letter like F:
>> since there are two drives and cd-rom I presume.
>> Simplify formatting the partition should take care of the issue and
>> preserve the drive lettering.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> <From: "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net>
>> <Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to
>> install <from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to
>> delete the <current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>> <
>> <
>> <"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> <news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
>> <> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to
>> uninstall the <> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version
>> of xp? The 64-bit <> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.

Thomas
Thu Jun 30 11:01:21 CDT 2005

R. C. White wrote:

> After lots of hassles which are too much to go into here, my 32-bit WinXP is
> now in U:\Windows. :>( And that's even though both C: and D: are unused in
> that installation.

Once a partition has a drive letter, it gets to keep it, imho. And if
there is a conflict, Windows changes one of the conflicting letters on
boot up.

I would try to solve that, since there is quite an amount of software
around that wants to write to C:.

If you want to install again, make sure that you delete the partition.
Partition Magic, Knoppix, BootItNG etc should do the job.

Thomas

Sposda
Thu Jun 30 12:18:03 CDT 2005

I just got a usb wireless adapter that won't work on 64-bit xp because the
company hasn't made any 64-bit drivers. plus a few games that won't work on
64-bit version. I have found a few ways to get around it, but don't want to
have to deal with it every single time.

"Julian Lord [PROneTworks]" wrote:

> Why don't you just install the x86 to the second drive as is ?
>
> This will give you a x86/x64 dual-boot setup -- and as soon as the issues
> with the x64 are resolved, you can remove the x86 version by deleting the
> folders and editing the boot.ini, leaving you with the x64 only - unless
> you're using the trial version of the x64, and don't have a full copy yet ?
>
> Apart from the current drivers issues, language issues, and availability
> issues, there's really very little reason NOT to use the x64 IMO, it's
> simply a better OS overall... if you can eventually obtain the drivers you
> need, the needed MUI package, and of course the RTM CD, why not just try
> and stick with it ?
>
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 04:02:02 +0200, Sposda
> <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a second drive that i use for storage, can i remove the power to
> > the
> > main drive and make the other drive a master and then install 32-bit
> > version
> > of xp on there?
> >
> > "John Barnes" wrote:
> >
> >> Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to install
> >> from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to delete the
> >> current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
> >> > Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall
> >> the
> >> > 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> >> > version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
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>

Sposda
Thu Jun 30 17:51:02 CDT 2005

Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need to do?
I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is more
support for 64-bit applications.

Thank you

"Sposda" wrote:

> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.

John
Thu Jun 30 17:56:51 CDT 2005

If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc) about
your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate information
that can be supplied.


"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
> Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need to
> do?
> I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is
> more
> support for 64-bit applications.
>
> Thank you
>
> "Sposda" wrote:
>
>> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
>> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
>> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.

David
Thu Jun 30 19:21:43 CDT 2005

Sposda <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in:

> Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need
> to do? I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until
> there is more support for 64-bit applications.

Sure. You should first install XP on the C: drive since it's the one you'll
be using mostly, then install X64 on the D: (or whatever drive it is) second.

X64 will automatically create a boot menu for you so when you start your
computer you'll be offered the choice of which OS to boot. Just remember to
install the oldest OS first and the newest OS last.

--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

R
Thu Jun 30 17:31:06 CDT 2005

Hi, Thomas.

> Once a partition has a drive letter, it gets to keep it, imho.

Maybe. Depends on HOW it got the letter. As I understand it (and I hope
Darrell or somebody corrects any misunderstanding), the BIOS originally
assigns drive letters. Then when WinXP loads, it reassigns them according
to its own rules. And the WinXP rules are different from Win9x and other
earlier versions of Windows. (See KB articles 51978, 234048 and others,
plus the WinXP Pro Resource Kit for details.)

If we assign specific letters with Disk Management, WinXP will attempt to
use those same letters on each reboot. Drives not specifically assigned,
though, may be reassigned letters based on the configuration detected each
time WinXP is started.

When dual-booting, the drive letters are assigned in EACH Registry. So,
when I boot into WinXP x64, C: is my System Partition and D: is my Boot
Volume. But when I reboot into 32-bit WinXP, C: and D: are not assigned at
all. X64 has no idea how the drives are lettered in 32-bit WinXP.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
Microsoft Windows MVP

"Thomas Steffen" <steffen.list.account@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9a7mzYfFHA.1444@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> R. C. White wrote:
>
>> After lots of hassles which are too much to go into here, my 32-bit WinXP
>> is now in U:\Windows. :>( And that's even though both C: and D: are
>> unused in that installation.
>
> Once a partition has a drive letter, it gets to keep it, imho. And if
> there is a conflict, Windows changes one of the conflicting letters on
> boot up.
>
> I would try to solve that, since there is quite an amount of software
> around that wants to write to C:.
>
> If you want to install again, make sure that you delete the partition.
> Partition Magic, Knoppix, BootItNG etc should do the job.
>
> Thomas

Colin
Fri Jul 01 14:26:11 CDT 2005

You should be disconnecting all other drives (except optical drives),
including removable and zip drives. They cause drive letter creep too.

--
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(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"R. C. White" <rc@corridor.net> wrote in message
news:%23BFR1TYfFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Me, too!
>
> After lots of hassles which are too much to go into here, my 32-bit WinXP
> is now in U:\Windows. :>( And that's even though both C: and D: are
> unused in that installation.
>
> Oh, well. If it bugs me too much before time to retire 32-bit
> permanently, I guess I can repartition/reformat that HD as I clean install
> 32-bit AGAIN. So far, I've used the in-place upgrade - to preserve
> installed apps, drivers, settings, etc. - but that obviously does not
> repartition/reformat, so I'm still stuck with whatever letters the
> enumeration process finds pre-assigned for my System Partition and Boot
> Volume.
>
> Thanks for that tidbit, Darrell.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@corridor.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:uPxuwnTfFHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Ah, that explains much. I actually thought it re-enumerated them. Thanks
>> for the clarification (and it explains a couple of machines that boot
>> into "H:" or it's equivalent.)
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>
>>
>> "Darrell Gorter[MSFT]" wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> It may be better to not delete the partition. If you delete the
>>> partition, you have to create a new partition before formatting.
>>> Since the drive letter was used with the old partition, when you
>>> create the new partition, it will get the next available drive letter
>>> not the previous drive letter of the old partition. Drive letters
>>> are not re-enumerated during this process so the old drive or the
>>> initial partition is not used. it will get a new drive letter like F:
>>> since there are two drives and cd-rom I presume.
>>> Simplify formatting the partition should take care of the issue and
>>> preserve the drive lettering.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>>
>>> <From: "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net>
>>> <Since you wiped out your x86 when you installed x64, you have to
>>> install <from your CD. When you get to the install phase, select to
>>> delete the <current partition and then reformat and reinstall the x86.
>>> <
>>> <
>>> <"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> <news:FA6822A2-E6BB-44C4-90C6-12AE6AE17A62@microsoft.com...
>>> <> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to
>>> uninstall the <> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version
>>> of xp? The 64-bit <> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>
>

Thomas
Fri Jul 01 14:40:29 CDT 2005

R. C. White wrote:

> Maybe. Depends on HOW it got the letter. As I understand it (and I hope
> Darrell or somebody corrects any misunderstanding), the BIOS originally
> assigns drive letters.

Actually, the BIOS only deals with complete drives (ambiguously called
C:, D: etc in the BIOS). "Drive letters" on the other hand actually
correspond to partitions. The order of drivers can affect the order of
partitions, but that is very OS specific.

> Then when WinXP loads, it reassigns them according
> to its own rules. And the WinXP rules are different from Win9x and other
> earlier versions of Windows.

Yes. Also the mechanism used is different between FAT32 and NTFS, which
may lead to a few more strange "features".

> If we assign specific letters with Disk Management, WinXP will attempt to
> use those same letters on each reboot. Drives not specifically assigned,
> though, may be reassigned letters based on the configuration detected each
> time WinXP is started.

I think NTFS partitions always get a permanent driver letter assigned
when they are used.

> When dual-booting, the drive letters are assigned in EACH Registry. So,
> when I boot into WinXP x64, C: is my System Partition and D: is my Boot
> Volume. But when I reboot into 32-bit WinXP, C: and D: are not assigned at
> all.

Hm, that is not how it should work. I though the drive letter is stored
in the partition, and the registry is only used in case of
conflicts/ambiguities.

> X64 has no idea how the drives are lettered in 32-bit WinXP.

If that is true, this is the strangest system I have every seen.

PS: Drive letters should die. However, you have to understand that drive
letters are the only symbolic links (a UNIX concept) that Windows can
offer. So you cannot do without drive letters unless you provide an
alternative implementation of symbolic links.

PPS: I hate it when ppl say "the document is on drive P:" -- Sure, just
go to http://localhost/, and it is right there :-)

Thomas

Sposda
Fri Jul 01 21:42:01 CDT 2005

I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb drive, 1gb
of ram.

Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by formating, but
i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make boot
disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?), so can't
get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to format the
drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the 64-bit xp
cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins because i
figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to format C:,
but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to dual boot,
i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
version.

Any help appreciated.

"John Barnes" wrote:

> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc) about
> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate information
> that can be supplied.
>
>
> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need to
> > do?
> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is
> > more
> > support for 64-bit applications.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > "Sposda" wrote:
> >
> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall the
> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>
>
>

Colin
Fri Jul 01 22:10:33 CDT 2005

Yes, in general the oldest version of Windows should be installed first.
Have you tried bootdisk.com for a bootable floppy with fdisk on it?

You should fdisk the drive using the boot floppy to remove the partition and
then start the XP installation from the XP cd and format the hard drive with
the Windows XP installer at the appropriate point in the installation.

There are bootdisk images for many flavors of Windows on bootdisk.com, but I
suggest a Win98 bootdisk. Download the image to your desktop, put a blank
formatted floppy in A: and doubleclick the bootdisk icon. It runs a
makedisk program.

The reason you can't get to DOS through Windows is that there is no DOS on
Win 2000, XP, or 2003 Server computers. The DOS-like commands are
emulations of the old DOS commands for scripting purposes.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:837D128A-1EA7-4085-966E-A57C7BB033D8@microsoft.com...
>I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb drive,
>1gb
> of ram.
>
> Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by formating,
> but
> i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make boot
> disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?), so
> can't
> get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to format
> the
> drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the 64-bit
> xp
> cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins because
> i
> figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to format
> C:,
> but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to dual
> boot,
> i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
> version.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc)
>> about
>> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate information
>> that can be supplied.
>>
>>
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
>> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need
>> > to
>> > do?
>> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is
>> > more
>> > support for 64-bit applications.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > "Sposda" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall
>> >> the
>> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
>> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>

Sposda
Fri Jul 01 23:14:01 CDT 2005

Unfortunately, i do not have a floppy drive. Can i get the file from boot
disk, burn it on a disk, will it do the same thing? I can get the windows xp
64-bit cd-rom to boot, but not the xp 32-bit (I get the blue screen when i
try)

BTW - Thanks for everyone's suggestions and help

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> Yes, in general the oldest version of Windows should be installed first.
> Have you tried bootdisk.com for a bootable floppy with fdisk on it?
>
> You should fdisk the drive using the boot floppy to remove the partition and
> then start the XP installation from the XP cd and format the hard drive with
> the Windows XP installer at the appropriate point in the installation.
>
> There are bootdisk images for many flavors of Windows on bootdisk.com, but I
> suggest a Win98 bootdisk. Download the image to your desktop, put a blank
> formatted floppy in A: and doubleclick the bootdisk icon. It runs a
> makedisk program.
>
> The reason you can't get to DOS through Windows is that there is no DOS on
> Win 2000, XP, or 2003 Server computers. The DOS-like commands are
> emulations of the old DOS commands for scripting purposes.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:837D128A-1EA7-4085-966E-A57C7BB033D8@microsoft.com...
> >I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb drive,
> >1gb
> > of ram.
> >
> > Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by formating,
> > but
> > i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make boot
> > disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?), so
> > can't
> > get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to format
> > the
> > drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the 64-bit
> > xp
> > cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins because
> > i
> > figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to format
> > C:,
> > but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to dual
> > boot,
> > i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
> > version.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > "John Barnes" wrote:
> >
> >> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc)
> >> about
> >> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate information
> >> that can be supplied.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
> >> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need
> >> > to
> >> > do?
> >> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is
> >> > more
> >> > support for 64-bit applications.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you
> >> >
> >> > "Sposda" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall
> >> >> the
> >> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
> >> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Colin
Fri Jul 01 23:35:17 CDT 2005

Can you get an external floppy drive? This is why I insist on a floppy in
my new machines. It is also handy for making a password diskette. I don't
know anything about your computer, but the BIOS will have to be set with the
A: drive set at the top of the boot order. I'm afraid others will have to
guide you on how to use an external floppy for this purpose. As for a cd, I
have no idea why your computer will not boot from a cd for a 32-bit OS.
Windows isn't even loaded at that point. I'm just now getting into x64 (in
fact my new system doesn't arrive until Wednesday) so I am probably missing
something.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:26538948-8FF9-4267-A5DB-ED399686EEEC@microsoft.com...
> Unfortunately, i do not have a floppy drive. Can i get the file from boot
> disk, burn it on a disk, will it do the same thing? I can get the windows
> xp
> 64-bit cd-rom to boot, but not the xp 32-bit (I get the blue screen when i
> try)
>
> BTW - Thanks for everyone's suggestions and help
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> Yes, in general the oldest version of Windows should be installed first.
>> Have you tried bootdisk.com for a bootable floppy with fdisk on it?
>>
>> You should fdisk the drive using the boot floppy to remove the partition
>> and
>> then start the XP installation from the XP cd and format the hard drive
>> with
>> the Windows XP installer at the appropriate point in the installation.
>>
>> There are bootdisk images for many flavors of Windows on bootdisk.com,
>> but I
>> suggest a Win98 bootdisk. Download the image to your desktop, put a
>> blank
>> formatted floppy in A: and doubleclick the bootdisk icon. It runs a
>> makedisk program.
>>
>> The reason you can't get to DOS through Windows is that there is no DOS
>> on
>> Win 2000, XP, or 2003 Server computers. The DOS-like commands are
>> emulations of the old DOS commands for scripting purposes.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:837D128A-1EA7-4085-966E-A57C7BB033D8@microsoft.com...
>> >I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb
>> >drive,
>> >1gb
>> > of ram.
>> >
>> > Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by formating,
>> > but
>> > i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make
>> > boot
>> > disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?), so
>> > can't
>> > get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to
>> > format
>> > the
>> > drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the
>> > 64-bit
>> > xp
>> > cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins
>> > because
>> > i
>> > figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to
>> > format
>> > C:,
>> > but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to dual
>> > boot,
>> > i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
>> > version.
>> >
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> >
>> > "John Barnes" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc)
>> >> about
>> >> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate
>> >> information
>> >> that can be supplied.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i
>> >> > need
>> >> > to
>> >> > do?
>> >> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there
>> >> > is
>> >> > more
>> >> > support for 64-bit applications.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you
>> >> >
>> >> > "Sposda" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The
>> >> >> 64-bit
>> >> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

John
Sat Jul 02 07:41:19 CDT 2005

How are you going to install x86? If you have the x86 disk you can do from
it. Your backup product usually comes with a bootable CD if you have Ghost
or Drive Image, so it is hard to understand how you are going to install x86
again if you can't get any of these situations to work.
Depending on what you have on your system you can make a bootable CD with
fdisk on it so you can wipe your drive, then what?
Let us know how you are going to get x86 back on your system. If it is a
restore disk from the manufacturer, it will wipe the disk.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(nojunk)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23kuc49rfFHA.2484@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Can you get an external floppy drive? This is why I insist on a floppy in
> my new machines. It is also handy for making a password diskette. I
> don't know anything about your computer, but the BIOS will have to be set
> with the A: drive set at the top of the boot order. I'm afraid others
> will have to guide you on how to use an external floppy for this purpose.
> As for a cd, I have no idea why your computer will not boot from a cd for
> a 32-bit OS. Windows isn't even loaded at that point. I'm just now
> getting into x64 (in fact my new system doesn't arrive until Wednesday) so
> I am probably missing something.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:26538948-8FF9-4267-A5DB-ED399686EEEC@microsoft.com...
>> Unfortunately, i do not have a floppy drive. Can i get the file from boot
>> disk, burn it on a disk, will it do the same thing? I can get the windows
>> xp
>> 64-bit cd-rom to boot, but not the xp 32-bit (I get the blue screen when
>> i
>> try)
>>
>> BTW - Thanks for everyone's suggestions and help
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, in general the oldest version of Windows should be installed first.
>>> Have you tried bootdisk.com for a bootable floppy with fdisk on it?
>>>
>>> You should fdisk the drive using the boot floppy to remove the partition
>>> and
>>> then start the XP installation from the XP cd and format the hard drive
>>> with
>>> the Windows XP installer at the appropriate point in the installation.
>>>
>>> There are bootdisk images for many flavors of Windows on bootdisk.com,
>>> but I
>>> suggest a Win98 bootdisk. Download the image to your desktop, put a
>>> blank
>>> formatted floppy in A: and doubleclick the bootdisk icon. It runs a
>>> makedisk program.
>>>
>>> The reason you can't get to DOS through Windows is that there is no DOS
>>> on
>>> Win 2000, XP, or 2003 Server computers. The DOS-like commands are
>>> emulations of the old DOS commands for scripting purposes.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:837D128A-1EA7-4085-966E-A57C7BB033D8@microsoft.com...
>>> >I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb
>>> >drive,
>>> >1gb
>>> > of ram.
>>> >
>>> > Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by
>>> > formating,
>>> > but
>>> > i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make
>>> > boot
>>> > disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?),
>>> > so
>>> > can't
>>> > get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to
>>> > format
>>> > the
>>> > drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the
>>> > 64-bit
>>> > xp
>>> > cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins
>>> > because
>>> > i
>>> > figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to
>>> > format
>>> > C:,
>>> > but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to
>>> > dual
>>> > boot,
>>> > i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
>>> > version.
>>> >
>>> > Any help appreciated.
>>> >
>>> > "John Barnes" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc)
>>> >> about
>>> >> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate
>>> >> information
>>> >> that can be supplied.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
>>> >> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i
>>> >> > need
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > do?
>>> >> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until
>>> >> > there is
>>> >> > more
>>> >> > support for 64-bit applications.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Sposda" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to
>>> >> >> uninstall
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The
>>> >> >> 64-bit
>>> >> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

John
Sat Jul 02 07:53:01 CDT 2005

Since you have two drives, save whatever you have on the second drive that
you want to save, possibly even on the x64 drive if there is room. Then
install the x86 version.
Before you do that, make a copy of ntdlr and ntdetect from the root drive
somewhere where you can restore them. Install your x86 system to your
second drive. When you are booted into whatever system you end up in after
the install, replace the two files on the root drive, then edit your
boot.ini, or if you have problems, you can use your x64 install disk and use
recovery console to recreate a new boot.ini for you.


"Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:837D128A-1EA7-4085-966E-A57C7BB033D8@microsoft.com...
>I have a msi k8nneo4 platinum, amd 64 3200+, 120gb drive and 250gb drive,
>1gb
> of ram.
>
> Last couple of days i was trying to remove 64-bit windows by formating,
> but
> i'm not yet succesful at it. Don't have 1.44mb disk drive, can't make boot
> disk, because i have a usb flash drive (can i boot from usb flash?), so
> can't
> get to Dos without going through windows, which won't allow me to format
> the
> drive. I can get the computer to boot from the cd-rom, but only the 64-bit
> xp
> cd-rom, which installs intself again, which i stop when it begins because
> i
> figure it won't help me at all. I suppose i need to get to Dos to format
> C:,
> but not sure how. I'd be happy with a 32-bit version of xp, but to dual
> boot,
> i heard you need to install the 32 bit version firrst, then the 64-bit
> version.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> If you give some details (motherboard, chipset, type of drivers etc)
>> about
>> your system and how it is set up now it will be more accurate information
>> that can be supplied.
>>
>>
>> "Sposda" <Sposda@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F9EB6238-2F53-4267-8256-D5E9E278A0A4@microsoft.com...
>> > Can anyone help me with the dual boot with my 2 drives? What do i need
>> > to
>> > do?
>> > I want 64-bit on one drive and 32-bit on the other drive until there is
>> > more
>> > support for 64-bit applications.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> >
>> > "Sposda" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since i don't have 2 boot drives, i'd like to know how to uninstall
>> >> the
>> >> 64-bit version and replace it with my 32-bit version of xp? The 64-bit
>> >> version was a straight install, not an upgrade.
>>
>>
>>

Darrellg
Wed Jul 06 18:35:29 CDT 2005

Hello,
There is a guid written to the partition or used to identify a drive..
In the registry that guid is assigned to a drive letter.
So if winnt32 is run, we do parse the registry read those entries and then
retain the drive letters. ( doesn't matter it is a clean install or an
upgrade)
If we boot from the CD, the guid is still present, but we don't have access
to the drive letters in the prior registry so we re-enumerate the drives
and volumes, and reassign drive letters.
So if the guids change on subsequent boots, the drive letters are assigned
again. If the registry entries for the drive letters are still present,
the new guids on the volume get the next available drive letter.
If the guids stay the same but the registry entries change for the drive
letters are deleted, then on the next reboot the drive letters are
enumerated again, however they can be in a different order.

Win9X if I recall properly, used int13 calls to the bios to enumerate the
drive letters. So each boot we would enumerate the drives, so each boot we
could see a new drive letter.
I don't recall ever the drive letter being stored on the drive ( possible
exception for Win9x upgrades to WinXP, just for the upgrade)
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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<Hi, Thomas.
<
<> Once a partition has a drive letter, it gets to keep it, imho.
<
<Maybe. Depends on HOW it got the letter. As I understand it (and I hope
<Darrell or somebody corrects any misunderstanding), the BIOS originally
<assigns drive letters. Then when WinXP loads, it reassigns them according
<to its own rules. And the WinXP rules are different from Win9x and other
<earlier versions of Windows. (See KB articles 51978, 234048 and others,
<plus the WinXP Pro Resource Kit for details.)
<
<If we assign specific letters with Disk Management, WinXP will attempt to
<use those same letters on each reboot. Drives not specifically assigned,
<though, may be reassigned letters based on the configuration detected each
<time WinXP is started.
<
<When dual-booting, the drive letters are assigned in EACH Registry. So,
<when I boot into WinXP x64, C: is my System Partition and D: is my Boot
<Volume. But when I reboot into 32-bit WinXP, C: and D: are not assigned
at
<all. X64 has no idea how the drives are lettered in 32-bit WinXP.
<
<RC
<--
<R. C. White, CPA
<San Marcos, TX
<rc@corridor.net
<Microsoft Windows MVP
<
<"Thomas Steffen" <steffen.list.account@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<> R. C. White wrote:
<>
<>> After lots of hassles which are too much to go into here, my 32-bit
WinXP
<>> is now in U:\Windows. :>( And that's even though both C: and D: are
<>> unused in that installation.
<>
<> Once a partition has a drive letter, it gets to keep it, imho. And if
<> there is a conflict, Windows changes one of the conflicting letters on
<> boot up.
<>
<> I would try to solve that, since there is quite an amount of software
<> around that wants to write to C:.
<>
<> If you want to install again, make sure that you delete the partition.
<> Partition Magic, Knoppix, BootItNG etc should do the job.
<>
<> Thomas
<
<
<