I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home with
SP-2.

http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon

Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok

HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit computers,
I wonder why?

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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Mon Jun 06 14:42:52 CDT 2005

The PC manufacturers such as HP and Dell are not offering XP Professional
x64 with there consumer desktops, its either on their workstations or
business desktops.
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"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D7EDFE9294drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home
>with
> SP-2.
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>
> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>
> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
> computers,
> I wonder why?
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by John

John
Mon Jun 06 14:55:03 CDT 2005

I can understand. Unless you are a full time gamer or have video editing to
do it adds nothing.
On the other side, most people who need a new computer and already have an
investment in hardware and software they want to bring
forward, will probably be unhappy with x64 and therefore HP. Anyone who
wants to can exchange, and then they have no one to blame but themselves.

I installed XP on the day it was released to the public and my last driver
or program update was a month later.

This time they know there is a TINY installed base and probably will remain
that way, so they, like Microsoft have their staffs modifying for Longhorn
and will release early anything that might also help this system. Except
for games, no vendor is much interested in writing for such a small group of
home users (like Apple or Linnux)

"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D7EDFE9294drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home
>with
> SP-2.
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>
> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>
> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
> computers,
> I wonder why?
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by David

David
Mon Jun 06 15:13:51 CDT 2005

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:

> The PC manufacturers such as HP and Dell are not offering XP Professional
> x64 with there consumer desktops, its either on their workstations or
> business desktops.

That's not the question, the question is "Why?"

--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Re: Sort of interesting.... by Wayne

Wayne
Mon Jun 06 15:28:22 CDT 2005

David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home with
> SP-2.
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>
> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>
> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit computers,
> I wonder why?
>

My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
support it on the systems they sell.


Wayne

Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Mon Jun 06 16:25:42 CDT 2005

Because of the targetted audience and work flow, in technical environments
who demand the highest levels of performance and scalability for Digital
Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for Financial &
Data Analysis.
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"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D8697C27A4drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:
>
>> The PC manufacturers such as HP and Dell are not offering XP Professional
>> x64 with there consumer desktops, its either on their workstations or
>> business desktops.
>
> That's not the question, the question is "Why?"
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by uggabugga

uggabugga
Mon Jun 06 16:59:18 CDT 2005

I agree with Wayne. Imagine the support nightmare it would cause. They're all
gonna wait and see what happens. Once there are enough drivers and updates,
they'll probably make the move. Personally, I just decided that I will wait a
while, instead up sending in my CD to the exchange program.
--
That's just like my opinion, Man........


"Wayne Wastier" wrote:

> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> > I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home with
> > SP-2.
> >
> > http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
> > 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
> > 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
> > cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
> >
> > Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
> >
> > HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit computers,
> > I wonder why?
> >
>
> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
> support it on the systems they sell.
>
>
> Wayne
>

Re: Sort of interesting.... by David

David
Mon Jun 06 17:14:24 CDT 2005

Wayne Wastier <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:

> David R. Norton MVP wrote:

>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>> computers, I wonder why?
>>
>
> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
> support it on the systems they sell.

Everyone misses the point.

First, HP has to support the OS on EVERY system they sell as whatever system
they install is OEM. Their support for X64 would be no different than it is
for XP, just run the caller through voice mail for an hour, then put
him/her/it on hold for an hour, then tell him/her/it they reached the wrong
department but... "I'll transfer you" and then hang up.

Here's the point: I want drivers.

Now just suppose HP/Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Sony, Emachines and IBM decide to
sell X64 pre-installed and they go to Canon, Epson, Logitech, Symantec, etc.
and say, "We want to bundle your product with our computer, we'll need
several hundred of your product for X64 in a week."

Wanna bet 64 bit drivers and software would appear in about 3.2 minutes?

I can't get anyone to write 64 bit drivers and neither can everyone else here
because they think "the person asking already owns our hardware/software so
where's the money?" but HP/Compaq can, Dell can, Gateway can, etc. We're
talking substantial sales for hardware/software vendors if the big PC makers
would throw their weight into X64.

--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>


Re: Sort of interesting.... by David

David
Mon Jun 06 17:15:11 CDT 2005

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:

> Because of the targetted audience and work flow, in technical environments
> who demand the highest levels of performance and scalability for Digital
> Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for Financial &
> Data Analysis.

Bzzzzzzt... wrong answer. See my reply to Wayne.

--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Mon Jun 06 17:37:44 CDT 2005

I still say its the targetted audience and adoption rate. The PC
manufacturers knows who is buying their computers and at what adoption rate
which gives them insight on what priority in terms of driver support they
should take.
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"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D9B0805873drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> Wayne Wastier <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>
>>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>>> computers, I wonder why?
>>>
>>
>> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
>> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
>> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
>> support it on the systems they sell.
>
> Everyone misses the point.
>
> First, HP has to support the OS on EVERY system they sell as whatever
> system
> they install is OEM. Their support for X64 would be no different than it
> is
> for XP, just run the caller through voice mail for an hour, then put
> him/her/it on hold for an hour, then tell him/her/it they reached the
> wrong
> department but... "I'll transfer you" and then hang up.
>
> Here's the point: I want drivers.
>
> Now just suppose HP/Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Sony, Emachines and IBM decide
> to
> sell X64 pre-installed and they go to Canon, Epson, Logitech, Symantec,
> etc.
> and say, "We want to bundle your product with our computer, we'll need
> several hundred of your product for X64 in a week."
>
> Wanna bet 64 bit drivers and software would appear in about 3.2 minutes?
>
> I can't get anyone to write 64 bit drivers and neither can everyone else
> here
> because they think "the person asking already owns our hardware/software
> so
> where's the money?" but HP/Compaq can, Dell can, Gateway can, etc. We're
> talking substantial sales for hardware/software vendors if the big PC
> makers
> would throw their weight into X64.
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Mon Jun 06 17:39:47 CDT 2005

Shouldn't be a problem if you can have people in Help and Support that can
meet your demand. Purchasers of x64 PC's will try to obtain help one way or
another, either through the OEM, online or newsgroups like this.
--
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"uggabugga" <uggabugga@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8D356661-AAC0-40A1-8AFC-2D3702FB082B@microsoft.com...
>I agree with Wayne. Imagine the support nightmare it would cause. They're
>all
> gonna wait and see what happens. Once there are enough drivers and
> updates,
> they'll probably make the move. Personally, I just decided that I will
> wait a
> while, instead up sending in my CD to the exchange program.
> --
> That's just like my opinion, Man........
>
>
> "Wayne Wastier" wrote:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>> > I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP Home
>> > with
>> > SP-2.
>> >
>> > http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
>> > 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
>> > 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
>> > cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>> >
>> > Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>> >
>> > HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>> > computers,
>> > I wonder why?
>> >
>>
>> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
>> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
>> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
>> support it on the systems they sell.
>>
>>
>> Wayne
>>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Rick

Rick
Mon Jun 06 18:21:22 CDT 2005

Wayne has a valid point, considering the individuals who "attempt" to
install Win x64 in absolute total ignorance. And by that I mean they
have absolutely no concept of either the hardware nor the software
requirements before they start. And after they do start, the have
absolutely no inkling how to proceed with the OS installation, yet have
the gal to claim they are "experienced and knowledgeable" computer
'experts!'

uggabugga wrote:
> I agree with Wayne. Imagine the support nightmare it would cause. They're all
> gonna wait and see what happens. Once there are enough drivers and updates,
> they'll probably make the move. Personally, I just decided that I will wait a
> while, instead up sending in my CD to the exchange program.

Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Mon Jun 06 19:01:19 CDT 2005

A majority of those persons you described Rick are known as enthusiast and
they are only looking for performance and a better experience for games.
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"Rick" <rick@home.net> wrote in message
news:eK0u05uaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Wayne has a valid point, considering the individuals who "attempt" to
> install Win x64 in absolute total ignorance. And by that I mean they have
> absolutely no concept of either the hardware nor the software requirements
> before they start. And after they do start, the have absolutely no
> inkling how to proceed with the OS installation, yet have the gal to claim
> they are "experienced and knowledgeable" computer 'experts!'
>
> uggabugga wrote:
>> I agree with Wayne. Imagine the support nightmare it would cause. They're
>> all gonna wait and see what happens. Once there are enough drivers and
>> updates, they'll probably make the move. Personally, I just decided that
>> I will wait a while, instead up sending in my CD to the exchange program.



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Tony

Tony
Tue Jun 07 09:06:19 CDT 2005

I'll go with you, David. It's what happens if you let the marketing people
run the company. Just because they understand figures, doesn't mean they
understand the economy in sales - after all, toothpaste doesn't sell like
machinery.

Kudos to guts, David.

Tony. . .


"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D9B0805873drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> Wayne Wastier <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>
>>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>>> computers, I wonder why?
>>>
>>
>> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
>> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
>> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
>> support it on the systems they sell.
>
> Everyone misses the point.
>
> First, HP has to support the OS on EVERY system they sell as whatever
> system
> they install is OEM. Their support for X64 would be no different than it
> is
> for XP, just run the caller through voice mail for an hour, then put
> him/her/it on hold for an hour, then tell him/her/it they reached the
> wrong
> department but... "I'll transfer you" and then hang up.
>
> Here's the point: I want drivers.
>
> Now just suppose HP/Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Sony, Emachines and IBM decide
> to
> sell X64 pre-installed and they go to Canon, Epson, Logitech, Symantec,
> etc.
> and say, "We want to bundle your product with our computer, we'll need
> several hundred of your product for X64 in a week."
>
> Wanna bet 64 bit drivers and software would appear in about 3.2 minutes?
>
> I can't get anyone to write 64 bit drivers and neither can everyone else
> here
> because they think "the person asking already owns our hardware/software
> so
> where's the money?" but HP/Compaq can, Dell can, Gateway can, etc. We're
> talking substantial sales for hardware/software vendors if the big PC
> makers
> would throw their weight into X64.
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by bp

bp
Tue Jun 07 13:50:28 CDT 2005

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:39:47 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]"
<andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Shouldn't be a problem if you can have people in Help and Support that can
>meet your demand. Purchasers of x64 PC's will try to obtain help one way or
>another, either through the OEM, online or newsgroups like this.

You're assuming that HP customers know the difference between 31bit
and 64 bit and if they do that they know what an the OEM or a
Newsgroup even are.

I think you'll find that your basic Best Buy computer shopper only
cares about the price and the 800 number to the manufacturers tech
support.


Re: Sort of interesting.... by Red

Red
Tue Jun 07 17:20:23 CDT 2005

He shoots from the hip *way* too often.
If he took the time to really understand the crux of every question, he
could not possibly break his record number of daily posts.


"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D9B299F7D9drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:
>
>> Because of the targetted audience and work flow, in technical
>> environments
>> who demand the highest levels of performance and scalability for Digital
>> Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for Financial
>> &
>> Data Analysis.
>
> Bzzzzzzt... wrong answer. See my reply to Wayne.
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Tue Jun 07 19:43:20 CDT 2005

We don't live in a hypothetical world. The answer remains is, how is it
treating our profit margin. Alliances are only necessary when they see that
their is some possibility that end user will not frustrated from experience
with software. Windows XP Professional x64 carries a level of interaction
with your computer that goes way beyond the software, meaning bombarding
calls to Help and Support about "How do I install these F6 Drivers?", "Hey,
I thought you said these F6 Drivers would work?"

The point remains, you can just request solutions from thirdparty
manufacturers like that to bundle with your systems, its just not gonna
happen. You have look at the experience the user is getting from the system
and also the benefit your company is getting from it, in terms less calls to
H&S and more demand.
--
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"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns966D9B0805873drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> Wayne Wastier <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:
>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>
>>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>>> computers, I wonder why?
>>>
>>
>> My guess is that HP doesn't want to support the OS with their
>> inexpensive computers because they are not making any money to speak of
>> on them. And with Windows XP x64, they are the OEM dealer and HAVE to
>> support it on the systems they sell.
>
> Everyone misses the point.
>
> First, HP has to support the OS on EVERY system they sell as whatever
> system
> they install is OEM. Their support for X64 would be no different than it
> is
> for XP, just run the caller through voice mail for an hour, then put
> him/her/it on hold for an hour, then tell him/her/it they reached the
> wrong
> department but... "I'll transfer you" and then hang up.
>
> Here's the point: I want drivers.
>
> Now just suppose HP/Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Sony, Emachines and IBM decide
> to
> sell X64 pre-installed and they go to Canon, Epson, Logitech, Symantec,
> etc.
> and say, "We want to bundle your product with our computer, we'll need
> several hundred of your product for X64 in a week."
>
> Wanna bet 64 bit drivers and software would appear in about 3.2 minutes?
>
> I can't get anyone to write 64 bit drivers and neither can everyone else
> here
> because they think "the person asking already owns our hardware/software
> so
> where's the money?" but HP/Compaq can, Dell can, Gateway can, etc. We're
> talking substantial sales for hardware/software vendors if the big PC
> makers
> would throw their weight into X64.
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Tue Jun 07 19:47:52 CDT 2005

Yeah, they should, anyone who purchased a computer in 2003 with 64 bit
processor should know they difference. A majority of them were beta testers
for x64 and they claimed to be on the bleeding edge. Its just recently
Companies like Dell and HP began to off 64 bit enabled processors in their
line of products and OS is not bundled with system, its the users choice,
leaving the decision up to the user again to decide, should I go for the
company's exchange program for x64 or not or stick with 32 bit Windows when
they know the adventure they are in for.

Again, its for the technical enthusiast, people hear 64 bit and Windows and
say "That must be blast, I'm upgrading when don't even know the upgrade
paths supported.
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<bp@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:15qba1p375epdbn3nli01msdeseapbqcu6@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:39:47 -0700, "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]"
> <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Shouldn't be a problem if you can have people in Help and Support that can
>>meet your demand. Purchasers of x64 PC's will try to obtain help one way
>>or
>>another, either through the OEM, online or newsgroups like this.
>
> You're assuming that HP customers know the difference between 31bit
> and 64 bit and if they do that they know what an the OEM or a
> Newsgroup even are.
>
> I think you'll find that your basic Best Buy computer shopper only
> cares about the price and the 800 number to the manufacturers tech
> support.
>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Tue Jun 07 19:50:32 CDT 2005

Was your post really necessary? Thanks anyway for making me break my record
once more, you are a true humantarian. I will induct you into the Andre Da
Costa break my post hall of fame for 2005.
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"Red" <red2912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uqKKF86aFHA.2696@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> He shoots from the hip *way* too often.
> If he took the time to really understand the crux of every question, he
> could not possibly break his record number of daily posts.
>
>
> "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns966D9B299F7D9drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:
>>
>>> Because of the targetted audience and work flow, in technical
>>> environments
>>> who demand the highest levels of performance and scalability for Digital
>>> Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for
>>> Financial &
>>> Data Analysis.
>>
>> Bzzzzzzt... wrong answer. See my reply to Wayne.
>>
>> --
>> David R. Norton MVP
>> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>
>



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Red

Red
Tue Jun 07 20:02:31 CDT 2005

Apparently...yes it was...



"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Was your post really necessary? Thanks anyway for making me break my
> record once more, you are a true humantarian. I will induct you into the
> Andre Da Costa break my post hall of fame for 2005.
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> "Red" <red2912@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:uqKKF86aFHA.2696@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> He shoots from the hip *way* too often.
>> If he took the time to really understand the crux of every question, he
>> could not possibly break his record number of daily posts.
>>
>>
>> "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns966D9B299F7D9drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:
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>>>> Because of the targetted audience and work flow, in technical
>>>> environments
>>>> who demand the highest levels of performance and scalability for
>>>> Digital
>>>> Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for
>>>> Financial &
>>>> Data Analysis.
>>>
>>> Bzzzzzzt... wrong answer. See my reply to Wayne.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David R. Norton MVP
>>> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
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Re: Sort of interesting.... by David

David
Tue Jun 07 20:30:14 CDT 2005

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:

> We don't live in a hypothetical world.

And you're still missing the point. Oh, well...


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Re: Sort of interesting.... by Red

Red
Tue Jun 07 21:19:58 CDT 2005

Valiant effort. Time to give it up.

"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in:
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>> We don't live in a hypothetical world.
>
> And you're still missing the point. Oh, well...
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Re: Sort of interesting.... by Charlie

Charlie
Wed Jun 08 08:57:28 CDT 2005

Why? pretty simple, really. Sam's club is price focused. Professional, either
32-bit or 64-bit, is more expensive than home. And the target audience is
such that they don't want or need to provide it there. This is the same
(mistaken, IMHO) logic that has caused many folks grief who bought their PC's
from a vendor who tried to save a few bucks by only offering Home edition.
It's a false economy, IMHO. OTOH, many in the target audience for this offer
will never need or want any of the features in Professional, either edition,
so for them it will be fine. But I think HP should at least offer the choice.

--
Charlie.

David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP
> Home with SP-2.
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
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> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>
> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
> computers, I wonder why?



Re: Sort of interesting.... by Tony

Tony
Wed Jun 08 17:04:57 CDT 2005

Although, right - like Andre's right and everyone else as well - it still
misses the point, to use Davids vocabulary.
. . .
so for them it will be fine.
. . .
you say; only if they think I can't make good use of 'Pro' why do they want
to sell me an AMD64 in the first place? Well, HP is deeply involved in the
Linux world, that's one thing. Another is that I still think marketing
people are running too many companies, someone surely isn't understanding
the machinery they peddle.

Regards, Tony. . .


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
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> Why? pretty simple, really. Sam's club is price focused. Professional,
> either 32-bit or 64-bit, is more expensive than home. And the target
> audience is such that they don't want or need to provide it there. This is
> the same (mistaken, IMHO) logic that has caused many folks grief who
> bought their PC's from a vendor who tried to save a few bucks by only
> offering Home edition. It's a false economy, IMHO. OTOH, many in the
> target audience for this offer will never need or want any of the features
> in Professional, either edition, so for them it will be fine. But I think
> HP should at least offer the choice.
>
> --
> Charlie.
>
> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>> I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP
>> Home with SP-2.
>>
>> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
>> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
>> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
>> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>>
>> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>>
>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>> computers, I wonder why?
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Re: Sort of interesting.... by Andre

Andre
Wed Jun 08 17:28:33 CDT 2005

It falls back to bottom line in the case of Linux support, just as long as
they can sell enough computers with their processors in it they don't really
care if it runins Windows or Linux, just as long as it can run it or support
it.
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"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message
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> Although, right - like Andre's right and everyone else as well - it still
> misses the point, to use Davids vocabulary.
> . . .
> so for them it will be fine.
> . . .
> you say; only if they think I can't make good use of 'Pro' why do they
> want to sell me an AMD64 in the first place? Well, HP is deeply involved
> in the Linux world, that's one thing. Another is that I still think
> marketing people are running too many companies, someone surely isn't
> understanding the machinery they peddle.
>
> Regards, Tony. . .
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:O5lEDIDbFHA.612@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Why? pretty simple, really. Sam's club is price focused. Professional,
>> either 32-bit or 64-bit, is more expensive than home. And the target
>> audience is such that they don't want or need to provide it there. This
>> is the same (mistaken, IMHO) logic that has caused many folks grief who
>> bought their PC's from a vendor who tried to save a few bucks by only
>> offering Home edition. It's a false economy, IMHO. OTOH, many in the
>> target audience for this offer will never need or want any of the
>> features in Professional, either edition, so for them it will be fine.
>> But I think HP should at least offer the choice.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>>
>> David R. Norton MVP wrote:
>>> I saw this Sam's Club ad and noticed the supplied OS is Windows XP
>>> Home with SP-2.
>>>
>>> http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-
>>> 23589%3a-43881%3a-43904%3a-43916%3a-
>>> 43919%3a920366&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_0693966249.1118085752_CS_&BV_EngineID=c
>>> cdeaddekjdfffhcfkfcfkjdgoodfkf.0&pid=_6-7-05_athlon
>>>
>>> Or: http://tinyurl.com/bnaok
>>>
>>> HP apparently isn't offering X64 on at least some of their 64 bit
>>> computers, I wonder why?
>>
>>
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