Denno
Tue Dec 25 02:52:09 PST 2007
That pretty much is what i got told, and the way you said to solve it was
exactly the same i did.
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Because of my other problem I've described on the top, i'm pretty sure i
will reinstall Vista. Just a last thing i want to be sure:
If i remove the IDE-disk before i start installing vista, and plug it into
the pc again when Vista is up and running again, will i then get these boot
problems again?
"R. C. White" wrote:
> Hi, Denno.
>
> Every Windows since at least WinNT4.0 has installed in TWO parts:
> 1. A few startup files into the System Partition.
> 2. The rest of Windows into the \Windows folder on the Boot Volume.
>
> When there's only a single hard drive and only a single partition, good old
> Drive C:, everything goes into that Drive C:. It's not even obvious that
> there are two parts.
>
> But when there are multiple hard drives or multiple partitions on a single
> hard drive, things can get more complicated - and confusing if we forget
> that 2-part structure. And when we mix different drive interfaces
> (IDE/ATA/PATA, SCSI, SATA, etc.) the BIOS can play tricks on us. Older
> BIOSes ALWAYS tried first to boot from IDE, even if WE wanted to boot from
> the SCSI drive. Newer BIOSes have more options, but we have to study the
> manual to learn the right settings, and your BIOS is probably different from
> mine.
>
> Ambiguous and counterintuitive terminology also makes it hard to explain
> clearly. We boot from the System Partition and keep the operating system
> files in the Boot Volume. See KB 314470:
> Definitions for system volume and boot volume
>
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314470/EN-US/
>
> When you "installed Vista on the SATA2-disk", the Boot Volume was created
> there, the \Windows folder was created there, and all those GBs of files I
> mentioned under Part 2, above, went there. But the start-up files (Part 1,
> above), including the bootmgr file, went to the System Partition, which was
> on the drive then designated in your BIOS as the boot device - and that,
> apparently, was your IDE drive.
>
> This is a completely normal situation, Denno. Vista (and earlier Windows)
> is quite happy to start the boot-up on IDE and then, using instructions it
> finds in bootmgr and the hidden \Boot folder there, find Vista on the SATA
> drive and load it from there. But it would be just as happy to start from a
> System Partition on the SATA drive - if you adjust the BIOS or drive cable
> configuration.
>
> If you remove the IDE drive completely and have only the SATA connected when
> you boot from the Vista DVD to install, then Setup will have no choice but
> to put the startup files (including bootmgr) into the Active (bootable)
> primary partition on that SATA drive. You can tell Setup to "install" Vista
> into that same partition, or to use (and even to create, if necessary) a
> different partition on that drive. Whichever volume you specify will become
> the boot volume and will be assigned the letter Drive C:. If it is not the
> same as the System Partition, then that partition will get the next
> available letter, most likely Drive D:.
>
> What often happens - and may have happened in your case - is that both the
> IDE and SATA drives are connected when we run Setup by booting from the
> Vista DVD. We say to install Vista on Drive V: (or whatever), which is on
> the SATA drive, and all those Part 2 files are written to V:\Windows, but
> the BIOS shows the IDE as the boot device, so bootmgr is written to the IDE.
> When the installation is all done, we remove the IDE and the SATA becomes
> the boot device - but there are no startup files on it, so Vista cannot boot
> from it.
>
> To get those startup files onto the SATA drive, you'll need to run Setup
> again. But you should not have to run the whole thing. When it gets to the
> part about "repairing" the startup files, just have it create the needed
> files on the SATA drive. Then you should be good to go. Later, you can
> plug in the IDE and set your BIOS to boot from your choice of either the IDE
> or the SATA.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)
>
>
> "Denno" <Denno@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D4E72C43-8A5F-4901-8431-591A778C891C@microsoft.com...
> > Well i found a guy in a forum who had the same problem as i had with the
> > missing BOOTMGR file and he decribed how he got this problem too.
> >
> > Like i have on my pc, he had an IDE-disk and a SATA2-disk, and installed
> > Vista on the SATA2-disk. The problem is by doing so, Vista places it's
> > boot
> > files on the IDE-disk and since vista is installed on SATA2, it's not
> > possible to boot Vista. What he said that could be done, was first to
> > unplug
> > the IDE-disk. Then boot on the Vista cd and make a repair there. Then plug
> > the IDE-disk into the pc again, and vista should be able to boot without
> > problems with the with or without the IDE-disk. It worked perfectly to me.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure nothing is wrong here, but oh well. You may never know.
> >
> > "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> "solved the problem with boot manager"? You'll need/want to tell us what
> >> you
> >> did there. My guess is something you probably shouldn't have.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charlie.
> >>
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
> >>
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
> >>
> >>
> >> "Denno" <Denno@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:B6DC75A8-952F-4801-ADF2-0E6080521A6C@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hey
> >> >
> >> > Everytime i install a program, game or just someting, it doesn't put a
> >> > shortvut on the desktop or in the start menu, even if it normally does.
> >> > The
> >> > software can still be found in "Program Files", and in the controlpanel
> >> > (hope
> >> > that's what's called in english)
> >> >
> >> > I'm using Vista 64-bit, which i just installed yesterday. In the first
> >> > few
> >> > hours, software got installed and placed their shortcuts as thye
> >> > should,
> >> > but
> >> > then the problem came.
> >> >
> >> > If i remember right the problem came after i've solved the problem with
> >> > "BOOTMGR" because i have SATA2 and an IDE harddisk.
> >> >
> >> > /Denno
> >>