I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding. Why
should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as Microsoft
keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on the
MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
processors and still computing in the 90's.

I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of x64.

Regards,
Larry

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by David

David
Tue Mar 20 10:33:35 CDT 2007

LarryC <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
> coding. Why should they make them? They have no reason at all to.

Microsoft is a business, they're not going to lose 90+% of their
customers because a few technophile geeks such as you and I want to use
64 bit computers. ;-)

> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the
> development of x64.

They are and they have been for a very long time, ever since the first
64 bit processors. When the Itanium idea didn't catch on, MSFT had XP
64 almost as soon as AMD released their 64 bit processors.






RE: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by GrahamS

GrahamS
Tue Mar 20 11:39:10 CDT 2007


> As long as Microsoft keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no reason for them to venture into x64 computing.

I agree Larry. I'm not sure they could stop producing x86 if they wanted to,
as there is still too much demand for Vista on old machines.

But it seems bizarre to me that Vista, an OS that many people will upgrade
their machine to use, is sold as x86 by default. You have to buy the x86
version and then send off for the "special" x64 version. I think if anything
it should be the other way around.

I also have seen plenty of pre-built systems that come with Vista x86
installed, despite having 64-bit processors in them.

After being bitten hard by XP x64, I'll be watching very carefully before I
move to Vista.

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by LarryC

LarryC
Tue Mar 20 11:47:10 CDT 2007

I fully understand their concept. I don't agree with the marketing tactic
since it is backfiring. There is no need to upgrade XP. They should know
people "Love" to buy new things and would had gone on a buying frenzy if
Microsoft saw it is time to bring on the x64 as the mainstream. As of now
x86 Vista is nothing but a new cover on an old box. It isn't too late to
recover from this short sighted venture and make this the turning point into
the next generation. As of now I'm really tired of the same junky software
that is available.



"David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User" wrote:

> LarryC <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
> > coding. Why should they make them? They have no reason at all to.
>
> Microsoft is a business, they're not going to lose 90+% of their
> customers because a few technophile geeks such as you and I want to use
> 64 bit computers. ;-)
>
> > I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the
> > development of x64.
>
> They are and they have been for a very long time, ever since the first
> 64 bit processors. When the Itanium idea didn't catch on, MSFT had XP
> 64 almost as soon as AMD released their 64 bit processors.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by John

John
Tue Mar 20 12:01:39 CDT 2007

Has anyone noticed how many of Microsoft products are for 32-bit only.

"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding.
> Why
> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
> Microsoft
> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
> the
> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>
> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
> x64.
>
> Regards,
> Larry


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Iron

Iron
Tue Mar 20 12:09:40 CDT 2007

"David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User" <d_r_norton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F95713AE325drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> LarryC <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
>> coding. Why should they make them? They have no reason at all to.
>
> Microsoft is a business, they're not going to lose 90+% of their
> customers because a few technophile geeks such as you and I want to use
> 64 bit computers. ;-)
>
>> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the
>> development of x64.
>
> They are and they have been for a very long time, ever since the first
> 64 bit processors. When the Itanium idea didn't catch on, MSFT had XP
> 64 almost as soon as AMD released their 64 bit processors.
>
>
>
>
>

If MS is so supportive of 64 bit, can you tell me why Vista Ultimate 64 bit
uses the 32 bit versions of IE7, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player as
the defaults, with no "easy" way to make the 64 bit versions, the default?


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by LarryC

LarryC
Tue Mar 20 12:13:20 CDT 2007

Yes, it is sad.
Even though I own some Microsoft stocks...kudos to MAC, at least they have
the balls to stay on top the technology. As far as I see it, Windows is 2nd
rate in computing at the moment. Darn it, fire all the CEOs! just a joke but
they need their thinking caps on.
Regards,
Larry



"John Barnes" wrote:

> Has anyone noticed how many of Microsoft products are for 32-bit only.
>
> "LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
> > I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding.
> > Why
> > should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
> > Microsoft
> > keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
> > reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
> > the
> > MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
> > processors and still computing in the 90's.
> >
> > I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
> > x64.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Larry
>
>

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by LarryC

LarryC
Tue Mar 20 12:20:18 CDT 2007

I'm so sorry if I"m venting. What makes me angry with MS is that I'm a
graphic artist and I use Adobe products. The next version of PS CS3 is still
32bits for Windows, and my competition is using MAC x64. This doesn't seem
like a big deal to most but to me it is. I've test driven CS3 and it doesn't
work well with Vista :(. So now I'm stuck making a decision on what to do.

I really like MS because I have much more choices of hardware but what good
is that if MS won't go forward.

Sigh,
Larry


"Iron Feliks" wrote:

> "David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User" <d_r_norton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns98F95713AE325drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> > LarryC <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
> >> coding. Why should they make them? They have no reason at all to.
> >
> > Microsoft is a business, they're not going to lose 90+% of their
> > customers because a few technophile geeks such as you and I want to use
> > 64 bit computers. ;-)
> >
> >> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the
> >> development of x64.
> >
> > They are and they have been for a very long time, ever since the first
> > 64 bit processors. When the Itanium idea didn't catch on, MSFT had XP
> > 64 almost as soon as AMD released their 64 bit processors.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> If MS is so supportive of 64 bit, can you tell me why Vista Ultimate 64 bit
> uses the 32 bit versions of IE7, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player as
> the defaults, with no "easy" way to make the 64 bit versions, the default?
>
>

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by David

David
Tue Mar 20 13:35:26 CDT 2007

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote:

> Has anyone noticed how many of Microsoft products are for 32-bit
> only.

Has anyone noticed how many non-Microsoft products are for 32-bit only?

Particularly the ones I need and use! I'd be very happy if Intuit
would have 64 bit versions, there's no other software that I really
need.... <-he says while frantically trying to find one more
deduction..




Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by John

John
Tue Mar 20 13:54:24 CDT 2007

Especially frustrating in light of Charlie's original information that
Microsoft was going to require any Vista labeled software and hardware to
support both 32 and 64 bit Vista. That must have been their intent then,
but now even they don't support 64-bit with much of their software and
program after program I see ads for at least note that it is only 32-bit
able. Drivers are another problem. Many 32-bit programs with drivers, that
are free or low cost just reply that if you (me) want a 64-bit version, send
me the money I need to sign the drivers.

"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E26108F4-01DF-4F41-B855-F65B752F2C32@microsoft.com...
> Yes, it is sad.
> Even though I own some Microsoft stocks...kudos to MAC, at least they have
> the balls to stay on top the technology. As far as I see it, Windows is
> 2nd
> rate in computing at the moment. Darn it, fire all the CEOs! just a joke
> but
> they need their thinking caps on.
> Regards,
> Larry
>
>
>
> "John Barnes" wrote:
>
>> Has anyone noticed how many of Microsoft products are for 32-bit only.
>>
>> "LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
>> > I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
>> > coding.
>> > Why
>> > should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
>> > Microsoft
>> > keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
>> > reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
>> > the
>> > MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
>> > processors and still computing in the 90's.
>> >
>> > I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
>> > x64.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Larry
>>
>>


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Iron

Iron
Tue Mar 20 16:47:09 CDT 2007

"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C37205C7-AB32-41C0-9330-34BAEFBE5892@microsoft.com...
> I'm so sorry if I"m venting. What makes me angry with MS is that I'm a
> graphic artist and I use Adobe products. The next version of PS CS3 is
> still
> 32bits for Windows, and my competition is using MAC x64. This doesn't seem
> like a big deal to most but to me it is. I've test driven CS3 and it
> doesn't
> work well with Vista :(. So now I'm stuck making a decision on what to do.
>
> I really like MS because I have much more choices of hardware but what
> good
> is that if MS won't go forward.
>
> Sigh,
> Larry
>

Truth be told, I knew the answer to my question. The 32 bit version of IE7
is used because there are almost no 64 bit add-ons...including Adobe Flash.
The same goes for WMP as Urge can't be used because there is no 64 bit Flash
add-on.

Most vendors don't see the need to produce 64 bit apps because the great
majority of users are clueless about such things and take the crap they are
given.


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by CarolSteele

CarolSteele
Tue Mar 20 19:24:05 CDT 2007

I'm in the same boat Larry - I can't even use Vista x64 in a work environment
as the calibration software for either of my two pucks does not work in Vista
x64 (c'mon XRite/GMB get your finger out) so I cannot calibrate my monitor.
There seems to be a marked reluctance for software companies to write 64-bit
versions of their software, mainly claiming that there would be little speed
gain from a 64-bit program.

However, if I'm not mistaken, the Mac 64-bit users are in the same boat as
I'm reasonably sure that the Mac version of Photoshop CS3 remains a 32-bit
program (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Had the usual problem this week when my colour laser printer went belly up.
I decided to go for a different make as the Epson drivers for XP x64 are very
basic. I was surprised to find that most of the popular makes do not have
Vista x64 drivers (some don't even have XP x64 drivers). Finally settled on
a Lexmark C534n as they have drivers for everything and seem to keep them up
to date.

"LarryC" wrote:

> I'm so sorry if I"m venting. What makes me angry with MS is that I'm a
> graphic artist and I use Adobe products. The next version of PS CS3 is still
> 32bits for Windows, and my competition is using MAC x64. This doesn't seem
> like a big deal to most but to me it is. I've test driven CS3 and it doesn't
> work well with Vista :(. So now I'm stuck making a decision on what to do.
>
> I really like MS because I have much more choices of hardware but what good
> is that if MS won't go forward.
>
> Sigh,
> Larry
>


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Dshai

Dshai
Tue Mar 20 19:43:28 CDT 2007

Isn't there a deduction for having to use obscelete software?...<g>

--

Dshai

Life is only limited by those living it...

"David R. Norton, MVP Shell/User" <d_r_norton@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98F975E85D614drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone noticed how many of Microsoft products are for 32-bit
>> only.
>
> Has anyone noticed how many non-Microsoft products are for 32-bit only?
>
> Particularly the ones I need and use! I'd be very happy if Intuit
> would have 64 bit versions, there's no other software that I really
> need.... <-he says while frantically trying to find one more
> deduction..
>
>
>



Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Dean

Dean
Tue Mar 20 20:58:13 CDT 2007

Agreed! I have been using Vista Ultimate x64 since it was released,
although still computing in a mostly 32-bit environment :( The operating
system runs great, best Windows yet, but compatibility is minimal at this
point, making this very impractical for most average home users, further
delaying the release of any 64-bit support. The potential of 64-bit
processing is amazing, I only wish more companies would release the 64-bit
patches and drivers. I love IE7 x64, but with no Flash, I can hardly use
it. Every native x64 program that I have used so far runs amazing! I only
wish they were all there :( With Vista x64 I was finally able to utilize
the true potential of my box, but most 32-bit apps still run about the same,
only more buggy now. Best wishes that the rest of the world will get on the
x64 wagon!

Current specs:

Vista Ultimate x64
ASUS P5WD2 Premium
Presler 955 E/E @ 4.01 GHz
4GB Corsair DDR2 800
4x74GB W/D Raptor RAID 5
4x300GB W/D RAID 5
BFG Tech 7800GTX
BFG Tech 1kW P/S



"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding.
> Why
> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
> Microsoft
> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
> the
> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>
> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
> x64.
>
> Regards,
> Larry


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Simon

Simon
Wed Mar 21 16:39:05 CDT 2007

I'm also upset for the same reasons you are. I ordered the 64 bit edition,
received it, installed it, and reverted to Vista32. Incompatibilities are
too much to deal with. Even worse, the stance that companies are taking
with Vista is upsetting, especially concerning x64 packages. I'm a graphic
design student, and I hardly have the time and patience to deal with Vista's
problems, and to make it work as well as an XP machine.

It seems to me that Adobe, like other software publishers, aren't very
concerned about their customers wants and demands. Adobe and Microsoft both
get to sit there and blame their problems on each other so that they have to
take less steps to working out incompatibilities. Even the smaller problems
are annoying to me. I was willing to look beyond the fact that the Aero
glass feature doesn't bode too well with resource stringent software, and I
so I disabled it along with several other features that decrease
performance. The thing is, it still isn't as smooth as XP. I'm not lacking
experience when it comes to computers and software. My computer's built to
handle high-end gaming as well. It's no low-end system. I even upgraded
memory to 4gb and a 4gb Ready Boost stick!

Even though I'm upset that 32-bit is the way to go now, simply because they
aren't pushing it, I still have to say that I prefer my custom PC with Vista
than my school's (IADT, Orlando) Intel iMacs. Strangely enough, those Macs
and the CS2 suite have issues as bad as simple pathfinding actions
consistently causing an "illegal operation." I don't mean to change the
path of this conversation, nor do I claim that those iMacs are built with
stability in design in mind, but I do want to point that fact out.

Hopefully they'll realize pretty soon how important it is to us for them to
sort out their bugs, and to push themselves to make 64-bit computing work
better. I've been wanting to unlock the true potential of this Athlon X2
processor quite some time now. Sure, it offers better performance in
multitasking in 32-bit OSes, but how they really do something with 64-bit.
I'd be happy with them if they stopped producing 32-bit as well. Then
they'd have reason to fix up their system and be more competitive to OSX.

Simon
http://www.sberube.net/



"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding.
> Why
> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
> Microsoft
> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
> the
> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>
> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
> x64.
>
> Regards,
> Larry


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by TJD

TJD
Wed Mar 21 21:25:09 CDT 2007

I am thinking of using Vista Ultimate 64-bit for my main system and then
using Microsoft's Virtual PC 2007 (or VMWare Workstation 6) to run Windows
XP Pro. Would this allow me the best of both worlds?

"Simon Berube" <sbberube@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4601a608$0$16747$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> I'm also upset for the same reasons you are. I ordered the 64 bit
> edition, received it, installed it, and reverted to Vista32.
> Incompatibilities are too much to deal with. Even worse, the stance that
> companies are taking with Vista is upsetting, especially concerning x64
> packages. I'm a graphic design student, and I hardly have the time and
> patience to deal with Vista's problems, and to make it work as well as an
> XP machine.
>
> It seems to me that Adobe, like other software publishers, aren't very
> concerned about their customers wants and demands. Adobe and Microsoft
> both get to sit there and blame their problems on each other so that they
> have to take less steps to working out incompatibilities. Even the
> smaller problems are annoying to me. I was willing to look beyond the
> fact that the Aero glass feature doesn't bode too well with resource
> stringent software, and I so I disabled it along with several other
> features that decrease performance. The thing is, it still isn't as
> smooth as XP. I'm not lacking experience when it comes to computers and
> software. My computer's built to handle high-end gaming as well. It's no
> low-end system. I even upgraded memory to 4gb and a 4gb Ready Boost
> stick!
>
> Even though I'm upset that 32-bit is the way to go now, simply because
> they aren't pushing it, I still have to say that I prefer my custom PC
> with Vista than my school's (IADT, Orlando) Intel iMacs. Strangely
> enough, those Macs and the CS2 suite have issues as bad as simple
> pathfinding actions consistently causing an "illegal operation." I don't
> mean to change the path of this conversation, nor do I claim that those
> iMacs are built with stability in design in mind, but I do want to point
> that fact out.
>
> Hopefully they'll realize pretty soon how important it is to us for them
> to sort out their bugs, and to push themselves to make 64-bit computing
> work better. I've been wanting to unlock the true potential of this
> Athlon X2 processor quite some time now. Sure, it offers better
> performance in multitasking in 32-bit OSes, but how they really do
> something with 64-bit. I'd be happy with them if they stopped producing
> 32-bit as well. Then they'd have reason to fix up their system and be
> more competitive to OSX.
>
> Simon
> http://www.sberube.net/
>
>
>
> "LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
>> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64 coding.
>> Why
>> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
>> Microsoft
>> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
>> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
>> the
>> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
>> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>>
>> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
>> x64.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Larry
>



RE: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Kevin

Kevin
Wed Mar 21 21:39:51 CDT 2007

GrahamS:

Interestingly, I just purchased a new HP laptop with a Core 2 Duo and
Windows Ultimate and HP installed the 64-bit version by default. They never
even gave me the option which quite frankly was fine with me as I would have
chosen to have the 64-bit version anyway.

What I think is important to note though (and which I recently imparted in a
letter to the CEO of a large software publisher of antispyware software whose
software won't install on 64-bit) is that the top selling manufacturer of
PC's in the world is shipping 64-bit Vista by default to customers
essentially without even giving them an option for 32-bit. Obviously HP
considers 64-bit to be mainstream and if I were a software publisher that
fact would get my attention. :-)

Kevin

====================

"GrahamS" wrote:

>
> > As long as Microsoft keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no reason for them to venture into x64 computing.
>
> I agree Larry. I'm not sure they could stop producing x86 if they wanted to,
> as there is still too much demand for Vista on old machines.
>
> But it seems bizarre to me that Vista, an OS that many people will upgrade
> their machine to use, is sold as x86 by default. You have to buy the x86
> version and then send off for the "special" x64 version. I think if anything
> it should be the other way around.
>
> I also have seen plenty of pre-built systems that come with Vista x86
> installed, despite having 64-bit processors in them.
>
> After being bitten hard by XP x64, I'll be watching very carefully before I
> move to Vista.

Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Simon

Simon
Wed Mar 21 23:47:12 CDT 2007

I wouldn't expect it to run so well, but I haven't got much experience with
virtualization. I know that it's not something I'd do. If you had XP and
Vista you'd probably be better off with a dual boot configuration. Then
again, I don't know what you use computers for. Maybe your computer has
amazing specs or maybe your needs aren't the same as mine. I personally
wouldn't run Adobe programs within a virtual system.
--
Simon Berube
http://sberube.net/
"TJD" <TJD@anon.net> wrote in message
news:u53DjlCbHHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I am thinking of using Vista Ultimate 64-bit for my main system and then
>using Microsoft's Virtual PC 2007 (or VMWare Workstation 6) to run Windows
>XP Pro. Would this allow me the best of both worlds?
>
> "Simon Berube" <sbberube@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4601a608$0$16747$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> I'm also upset for the same reasons you are. I ordered the 64 bit
>> edition, received it, installed it, and reverted to Vista32.
>> Incompatibilities are too much to deal with. Even worse, the stance that
>> companies are taking with Vista is upsetting, especially concerning x64
>> packages. I'm a graphic design student, and I hardly have the time and
>> patience to deal with Vista's problems, and to make it work as well as an
>> XP machine.
>>
>> It seems to me that Adobe, like other software publishers, aren't very
>> concerned about their customers wants and demands. Adobe and Microsoft
>> both get to sit there and blame their problems on each other so that they
>> have to take less steps to working out incompatibilities. Even the
>> smaller problems are annoying to me. I was willing to look beyond the
>> fact that the Aero glass feature doesn't bode too well with resource
>> stringent software, and I so I disabled it along with several other
>> features that decrease performance. The thing is, it still isn't as
>> smooth as XP. I'm not lacking experience when it comes to computers and
>> software. My computer's built to handle high-end gaming as well. It's
>> no low-end system. I even upgraded memory to 4gb and a 4gb Ready Boost
>> stick!
>>
>> Even though I'm upset that 32-bit is the way to go now, simply because
>> they aren't pushing it, I still have to say that I prefer my custom PC
>> with Vista than my school's (IADT, Orlando) Intel iMacs. Strangely
>> enough, those Macs and the CS2 suite have issues as bad as simple
>> pathfinding actions consistently causing an "illegal operation." I don't
>> mean to change the path of this conversation, nor do I claim that those
>> iMacs are built with stability in design in mind, but I do want to point
>> that fact out.
>>
>> Hopefully they'll realize pretty soon how important it is to us for them
>> to sort out their bugs, and to push themselves to make 64-bit computing
>> work better. I've been wanting to unlock the true potential of this
>> Athlon X2 processor quite some time now. Sure, it offers better
>> performance in multitasking in 32-bit OSes, but how they really do
>> something with 64-bit. I'd be happy with them if they stopped producing
>> 32-bit as well. Then they'd have reason to fix up their system and be
>> more competitive to OSX.
>>
>> Simon
>> http://www.sberube.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> "LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
>>> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
>>> coding. Why
>>> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
>>> Microsoft
>>> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is no
>>> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump on
>>> the
>>> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great new
>>> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>>>
>>> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development of
>>> x64.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Larry
>>
>
>


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by S

S
Fri Mar 23 03:17:23 CDT 2007

On Mar 20, 10:09 am, "Iron Feliks" <f dzerzhin...@kgb.ru> wrote:
> If MS is so supportive of 64 bit, can you tell me why Vista Ultimate 64 bit
> uses the 32 bit versions of IE7, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player as
> the defaults, with no "easy" way to make the 64 bit versions, the default?

Because most plugins are 32-bit, and 64-bit IE can't run 32-bit
plugins. Porting Flash player to 64-bit would not only solve 90% of
my problems with 64-bit IE, but would probably spur other developers
to port their plugins to 64-bit too. But Adobe says IT'S TOO
HARRRRD.

WMP11 is the same way. Most codecs are 32-bit, and WMP11-64 can't use
them. Luckily there do seem to be some 64-bit codecs out there which
work. Now it's just a matter of getting the associations figured
out.. I can't get WMP11-64 to be the default player for anything Vista
shipped as "knowing" ie. AVI, MPG, MP3.. they all open with the 32-bit
player, and no hack I have tried can fix it.

I wasn't aware Windows Mail came in two flavors.. On my x64 Ultimate
it always opens the 64-bit one. I use Outlook though so that is not a
big deal. (Man, Office 64-bit would be a killer app I think)


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Iron

Iron
Fri Mar 23 08:08:58 CDT 2007

"S.SubZero" <ssubzero@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174637843.011765.320940@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 20, 10:09 am, "Iron Feliks" <f dzerzhin...@kgb.ru> wrote:
>> If MS is so supportive of 64 bit, can you tell me why Vista Ultimate 64
>> bit
>> uses the 32 bit versions of IE7, Windows Mail and Windows Media Player as
>> the defaults, with no "easy" way to make the 64 bit versions, the
>> default?
>
> Because most plugins are 32-bit, and 64-bit IE can't run 32-bit
> plugins. Porting Flash player to 64-bit would not only solve 90% of
> my problems with 64-bit IE, but would probably spur other developers
> to port their plugins to 64-bit too. But Adobe says IT'S TOO
> HARRRRD.
>
> WMP11 is the same way. Most codecs are 32-bit, and WMP11-64 can't use
> them. Luckily there do seem to be some 64-bit codecs out there which
> work. Now it's just a matter of getting the associations figured
> out.. I can't get WMP11-64 to be the default player for anything Vista
> shipped as "knowing" ie. AVI, MPG, MP3.. they all open with the 32-bit
> player, and no hack I have tried can fix it.
>
> I wasn't aware Windows Mail came in two flavors.. On my x64 Ultimate
> it always opens the 64-bit one. I use Outlook though so that is not a
> big deal. (Man, Office 64-bit would be a killer app I think)
>


I guess we shouldn't be too hard on Adobe until MS brings out some 64 bit
apps. I know there is a way to make the 64 bit apps the default, but I
believe part of the process involves mucking about in the registry, which
isn't one of my favorite pastimes.


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Jupiter

Jupiter
Fri Mar 23 14:41:38 CDT 2007

Larry;
Microsoft is selling what people want and may want 32 bit since their
computers are not ready for 64 bit.

Of course you have contacted the manufacturers of the products you
like and asked about 64 bit support.
What have the said?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"LarryC" <LarryC@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4E4F2F86-5B7E-461C-A1AA-EF0089431A43@microsoft.com...
> I'm really getting sick and tired of software makers ignoring x64
> coding. Why
> should they make them? They have no reason at all to. As long as
> Microsoft
> keeps putting out Vista x86, which supports cheap machines, there is
> no
> reason for them to venture into x64 computing. Makes me want to jump
> on the
> MAC bandwagon or pull my hair out. Such a waste for all these great
> new
> processors and still computing in the 90's.
>
> I just wish Microsoft would do something to promote the development
> of x64.
>
> Regards,
> Larry


Re: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Jupiter

Jupiter
Fri Mar 23 14:49:07 CDT 2007

"You have to buy the x86 version and then send off"
Only partially true.
Vista Ultimate comes with both DVDs, 32 bit and 64 bit.

Also see:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm

"I also have seen plenty of pre-built systems..."
That has nothing to do with Microsoft and everything to do with the
OEMs perception of their customers needs.
Since there is still less support for 64 bit, new computer users would
get angry, and rightfully so, with an inability to purchase a computer
that would work with the hardware and software they need.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"GrahamS" <GrahamS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:716FE1DE-CE1C-4C56-A804-38D6DD95D7D4@microsoft.com...
> I agree Larry. I'm not sure they could stop producing x86 if they
> wanted to,
> as there is still too much demand for Vista on old machines.
>
> But it seems bizarre to me that Vista, an OS that many people will
> upgrade
> their machine to use, is sold as x86 by default. You have to buy the
> x86
> version and then send off for the "special" x64 version. I think if
> anything
> it should be the other way around.
>
> I also have seen plenty of pre-built systems that come with Vista
> x86
> installed, despite having 64-bit processors in them.
>
> After being bitten hard by XP x64, I'll be watching very carefully
> before I
> move to Vista.


RE: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by td

td
Tue Mar 27 18:02:26 CDT 2007

You are right on the mark Larry. Microsoft missed a once in a lifetime
opportunity to significantly advance the Windows platform by dropping 32 bit
Vista. The reality is that Vista really only runs well on recent or new
computers*, nearly all of which already contain a 64 bit capable processor.
If Microsoft had chosen to release Vista as 64 bit only, ISVs would have
responded with drivers and software that worked in Vista x64. Instead, we're
right back to where we were with XP x64. Few consumers have adopted it
because of a lack of driver and software support, and few ISVs have added
support for it because of a lack of consumer interest. What a shame.

This marketing blunder may come back to haunt Microsoft. Apple seems to
have a much better strategy for 64 bit support, and Linux is likely to be a
major player as well.

* To further clarify my comment: Although Vista is technically capable of
running on older platforms in a degraded mode, most vendors have opted not to
support Vista on systems more than a year or two old. For example, Vista RTM
repeatedly blue screens on my 4 year old Dell workstation, due to a video
driver bug that no one wants to fix.

RE: STOP MAKING 32bit VISTA by Jacob2000

Jacob2000
Tue Mar 27 19:20:38 CDT 2007

First of all, I would consider myself a hardcore gamer! I demand the best,
and expect the best! But due to the problems that I have read with vista,
and especially Vista 64bit, I refuse to make that the change.

This is why that I am staying with XP PRO SP2 on my new computer I am
building! I dont need Directx10, and I dont need Vista! Yah I will get the
nvidia 8800, but not for directx purposes (though upgradabiltiy is at the top
of the list). I get it because it simply is great at even Directx9 games.

I went to compusa and talked with a Microsoft guy that was there promoting
vista, and he basically told me that VISTA will be replaced in 2 years
anyway. I figure that by then, DirectX10 games will be more common, the
driver issues will be fixed, and maybe, just maybe, X64(vista or whatever the
future OS is), will be fixed enough for the mainstream.

I still remember when I went from Windows 98 to XP. A lot of my programs
DID NOT WORK on XP. It took almost 2 years before most would (remember SP1).
Even then, most of my old windows 98 games and programs still didnt work,
even in "compatibility mode". So that being said. I will keep with XP,
until there is enough VISTA 64 software out to justify the expense of the
switch!

"td" wrote:

> You are right on the mark Larry. Microsoft missed a once in a lifetime
> opportunity to significantly advance the Windows platform by dropping 32 bit
> Vista. The reality is that Vista really only runs well on recent or new
> computers*, nearly all of which already contain a 64 bit capable processor.
> If Microsoft had chosen to release Vista as 64 bit only, ISVs would have
> responded with drivers and software that worked in Vista x64. Instead, we're
> right back to where we were with XP x64. Few consumers have adopted it
> because of a lack of driver and software support, and few ISVs have added
> support for it because of a lack of consumer interest. What a shame.
>
> This marketing blunder may come back to haunt Microsoft. Apple seems to
> have a much better strategy for 64 bit support, and Linux is likely to be a
> major player as well.
>
> * To further clarify my comment: Although Vista is technically capable of
> running on older platforms in a degraded mode, most vendors have opted not to
> support Vista on systems more than a year or two old. For example, Vista RTM
> repeatedly blue screens on my 4 year old Dell workstation, due to a video
> driver bug that no one wants to fix.