Intel's Celeron takes the 64-bit route

Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting the
company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
chip of the same capacity in July.

Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D S775
processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.

Read the rest here:
http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
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NoNoBadDog!
Mon Jun 27 18:25:28 CDT 2005


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uA0cjw2eFHA.2844@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
> the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with
> a chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
> S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
> --
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>
>
Okay, let's see....

No on-die Memory controller....
No Hypertransport bus....
only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.

Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....

Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64 bit
retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.

Bobby

Mark
Mon Jun 27 18:31:27 CDT 2005

***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***

NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :

>>
> Okay, let's see....
>
> No on-die Memory controller....
> No Hypertransport bus....
> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>
> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>
> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
> making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64 bit
> retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.
>
> Bobby
>
>

Rick
Mon Jun 27 18:32:26 CDT 2005

I think you're a bit behind the curve! AMD is already selling Sempron
CPUs that are fully 64-bit enabled! They have been reported for about a
week now.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24174
http://www.overclockers.com/tips00797/

Intel is behind the power curve!!!


Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting the
> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
> chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D S775
> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top

Dee
Mon Jun 27 18:38:44 CDT 2005

Not sure what you think you're bragging about, but AMD released their
64-bit Semprons while Intel was asleep!

You need to wake up and smell the coffee!

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting the
> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
> chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D S775
> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top

Wayne
Mon Jun 27 18:37:25 CDT 2005


"Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>

****WARNING INHELL, er .. INTEL FANBOY REPLY****

Mark
Mon Jun 27 18:45:03 CDT 2005

Wayne Wastier got up from the bar and shouted: :
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>>
>
> ****WARNING INHELL, er .. INTEL FANBOY REPLY****

Erm, no actually I have a AMD64 based system, pissed on your fireworks...

Lets not pretend however that Intels CPU's are as crippled as much as
was suggested by the total AMD fanboy post...

Andre
Mon Jun 27 18:44:42 CDT 2005

I will take whichever one is cheaper, as long as they can run the OS.
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"Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>>
>
> ****WARNING INHELL, er .. INTEL FANBOY REPLY****
>

NoNoBadDog!
Mon Jun 27 18:52:56 CDT 2005

********WARNING*********


Brain-dead Idiot Response!


Did you even read the post? See If you can get someone to help you with the
big words...

Bobby

"Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>
> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
>
>>>
>> Okay, let's see....
>>
>> No on-die Memory controller....
>> No Hypertransport bus....
>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>>
>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>>
>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
>> making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64 bit
>> retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.
>>
>> Bobby

Charlie
Mon Jun 27 19:00:12 CDT 2005

Sorry, Andre, but the x64 Sempron has been available to _buy_ for several
days now, and was announced over two weeks ago.

--
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday,
> putting the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to
> come out with a chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron
> D S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart
> from the addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls
> EM64T.
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top

Wayne
Mon Jun 27 19:04:16 CDT 2005


"Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eXBACJ3eFHA.760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Wayne Wastier got up from the bar and shouted: :
>> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message

You haven't a clue.

PLONK

Andre
Mon Jun 27 19:18:50 CDT 2005

Its just a processor guys, lets not break out into a rash. :-)
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"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
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> ********WARNING*********
>
>
> Brain-dead Idiot Response!
>
>
> Did you even read the post? See If you can get someone to help you with
> the big words...
>
> Bobby
>
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>>
>> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
>>
>>>>
>>> Okay, let's see....
>>>
>>> No on-die Memory controller....
>>> No Hypertransport bus....
>>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>>>
>>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
>>> making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64 bit
>>> retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.
>>>
>>> Bobby
>
>

Charlie
Mon Jun 27 19:28:22 CDT 2005

Cool it, please, Bobby. Let's not get into that kind of argument here. We all
have our favourites, but no need to feed the trolls.

--
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


NoNoBadDog! wrote:
> ********WARNING*********
>
>
> Brain-dead Idiot Response!
>
>
> Did you even read the post? See If you can get someone to help you
> with the big words...
>
> Bobby
>
> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>>
>> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
>>
>>>>
>>> Okay, let's see....
>>>
>>> No on-die Memory controller....
>>> No Hypertransport bus....
>>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>>>
>>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and
>>> starts making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of
>>> making a 64 bit retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to
>>> buy AMD. Bobby

Charlie
Mon Jun 27 19:30:28 CDT 2005

Cool it, please, Mark. Both companies make good processors, but this is not
the place to make personal statements. Or to feed the trolls. ;)

--
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


Mark Gillespie wrote:
> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>
> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
>
>>>
>> Okay, let's see....
>>
>> No on-die Memory controller....
>> No Hypertransport bus....
>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>>
>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>>
>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and
>> starts making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of
>> making a 64 bit retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to
>> buy AMD. Bobby

David
Mon Jun 27 22:37:44 CDT 2005

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in:

> Cool it, please, Bobby. Let's not get into that kind of argument here.
> We all have our favourites, but no need to feed the trolls.

Particularly when we all know the Motorola 6800P is superior to any other
chip.


--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Intel_Fan
Mon Jun 27 22:57:55 CDT 2005

Ah, I was waiting for that one.



Many years back I used to partake in a CAD users group. Seemed like once a
week someone would open the door and toss in a grenade. Something like "ProE
or Catia...Which One?" It would invariably boil down to an argument between
Etch-A-Sketch and Magna-Doodle. What a blast.



Can't resist throwing in one historical tidbit though. Intel released its
first 64bit processor (the first commercially available chip with over 1
million transistors) on Feb 27, 1989.






"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in:
>
>> Cool it, please, Bobby. Let's not get into that kind of argument here.
>> We all have our favourites, but no need to feed the trolls.
>
> Particularly when we all know the Motorola 6800P is superior to any other
> chip.
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Matt
Mon Jun 27 23:03:25 CDT 2005

Well if we're talking about "first to market" Apple was there first with a
mainstream 64bit processor. Mind you the market was small, but they got
there before AMD or Intel. Never mind that Apple switched to Intlel....

Matt

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:eJ5XcR3eFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Sorry, Andre, but the x64 Sempron has been available to _buy_ for several
> days now, and was announced over two weeks ago.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>
>
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday,
>> putting the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to
>> come out with a chip of the same capacity in July.
>>
>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron
>> D S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart
>> from the addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls
>> EM64T.
>> Read the rest here:
>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>
>

David
Mon Jun 27 23:27:07 CDT 2005

"Intel_Fan" <IntelFan@boogus.emails.com> wrote in:

> Many years back I used to partake in a CAD users group. Seemed like once
> a week someone would open the door and toss in a grenade. Something like
> "ProE or Catia...Which One?" It would invariably boil down to an
> argument between Etch-A-Sketch and Magna-Doodle. What a blast.

Of course you've seen the Dilbert strip whee Dilbert and Wally tell the
pointy haired boss to reboot his computer he has to hold it upside down and
shake it? Later they wonder what will happen if the boss ever realizes his
"laptop" is an Etch-A-Sketch...


--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Randy
Tue Jun 28 01:00:19 CDT 2005

I think it's reason to CELEBRATE, not fight! Sheesh... if they only knew
what it used to be like, working with XT systems, upgrading system RAM one
bug chip at a time, running 300baud connections to the local library server,
system beeps for a sound system, cga graphics, 20MB hard drive replacing
original 5MB drives that had crashed, 5.25" floppies... hell, I remember a
friend in law school casually buying a replacement 1G hard drive when his
old one died, and it cost him a grand just over ten years ago. The 486
system I bought myself that year cost me almost 2 grand!

In high school it was even worse; we had a table-sized "tele-terminal"
dialed in (via a Konnex Konnector) to the nearby university server... typed
input got answered via a huge line printer printing characters one at a
time. But it served its purpose, teaching us BASIC and performing searches
for college programs in which our classmates were interested.

Competition and advancing technologies both drop prices and make for a more
pleasant computing experience for all.


"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23SSJ8b3eFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Its just a processor guys, lets not break out into a rash. :-)
> --
> Andre
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>
> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:%23KbddN3eFHA.3712@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > ********WARNING*********
> >
> >
> > Brain-dead Idiot Response!
> >
> >
> > Did you even read the post? See If you can get someone to help you with
> > the big words...
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
> >>
> >> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
> >>
> >>>>
> >>> Okay, let's see....
> >>>
> >>> No on-die Memory controller....
> >>> No Hypertransport bus....
> >>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
> >>>
> >>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
> >>>
> >>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
> >>> making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64
bit
> >>> retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.
> >>>
> >>> Bobby
> >
> >
>
>

Randy
Tue Jun 28 00:45:12 CDT 2005

I'm kinda intrigued by the enormous L2 cache memory... are you sure it's
256M?
;~)

But I agree with your analysis; it seems an odd processor, putting the
ability to access such large amounts of memory onto a basically crippled
CPU.

I'll stick with my dual Xeon system.

"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%23GBjH%232eFHA.2732@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uA0cjw2eFHA.2844@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
> > the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out
with
> > a chip of the same capacity in July.
> >
> > Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
> > S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from
the
> > addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
> >
> > Read the rest here:
> >
http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
> > --
> > Andre
> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
> >
> >
> >
> Okay, let's see....
>
> No on-die Memory controller....
> No Hypertransport bus....
> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>
> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>
> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and starts
> making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of making a 64 bit
> retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to buy AMD.
>
> Bobby
>
>

Jud
Tue Jun 28 02:13:34 CDT 2005

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:03:25 -0700, "Matt Beals"
<matt_beals@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Well if we're talking about "first to market" Apple was there first with a
>mainstream 64bit processor. Mind you the market was small, but they got
>there before AMD or Intel. Never mind that Apple switched to Intlel....

Wasn't the Alpha-processor even earlier?
(the one used in DEC's)

jud

Intel_Fan
Tue Jun 28 07:27:09 CDT 2005

I remember storing programs on audio cassette tapes to be loaded on a
TRS-80. I've worked with paper tape reader/writers too. We thought it was
great when the giant floppies came out.


"Randy" <randy@noname.net> wrote in message
news:%23Svt5e6eFHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>I think it's reason to CELEBRATE, not fight! Sheesh... if they only knew
> what it used to be like, working with XT systems, upgrading system RAM one
> bug chip at a time, running 300baud connections to the local library
> server,
> system beeps for a sound system, cga graphics, 20MB hard drive replacing
> original 5MB drives that had crashed, 5.25" floppies... hell, I remember a
> friend in law school casually buying a replacement 1G hard drive when his
> old one died, and it cost him a grand just over ten years ago. The 486
> system I bought myself that year cost me almost 2 grand!
>
> In high school it was even worse; we had a table-sized "tele-terminal"
> dialed in (via a Konnex Konnector) to the nearby university server...
> typed
> input got answered via a huge line printer printing characters one at a
> time. But it served its purpose, teaching us BASIC and performing searches
> for college programs in which our classmates were interested.
>
> Competition and advancing technologies both drop prices and make for a
> more
> pleasant computing experience for all.
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23SSJ8b3eFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Its just a processor guys, lets not break out into a rash. :-)

Sean
Tue Jun 28 08:06:00 CDT 2005

One could easily argue that Alphas were hardly "mainstream". Certainly DEC
never had intentions of selling them to the general public. God forbid Joe
Average would not want to run OpenVMS at home.

*shudders at the memory of OpenVMS*

-- Sean M

"Jud Hendrix" <cservice@maxxlength.com> wrote in message
news:f3u1c1d5feaec2a1vpkoo375to14ufcsb6@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:03:25 -0700, "Matt Beals"
> <matt_beals@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Well if we're talking about "first to market" Apple was there first with
a
> >mainstream 64bit processor. Mind you the market was small, but they got
> >there before AMD or Intel. Never mind that Apple switched to Intlel....
>
> Wasn't the Alpha-processor even earlier?
> (the one used in DEC's)
>
> jud
>

Andre
Tue Jun 28 09:52:30 CDT 2005

Exactly, like I said, as long as it can run the OS.
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"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:ObCaWi3eFHA.1400@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Cool it, please, Bobby. Let's not get into that kind of argument here. We
> all have our favourites, but no need to feed the trolls.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>
>
> NoNoBadDog! wrote:
>> ********WARNING*********
>>
>>
>> Brain-dead Idiot Response!
>>
>>
>> Did you even read the post? See If you can get someone to help you
>> with the big words...
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "Mark Gillespie" <mark.gillespie@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ujkqbB3eFHA.1136@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> ***WARNING AMD FANBOY POST ***
>>>
>>> NoNoBadDog! got up from the bar and shouted: :
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Okay, let's see....
>>>>
>>>> No on-die Memory controller....
>>>> No Hypertransport bus....
>>>> only 256Mb *INCLUSIVE* cache.
>>>>
>>>> Think 'I'll put my money on the Sempron64....
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong...but until Intel gets it's act together and
>>>> starts making 64 bit chips that can compete with AMD instead of
>>>> making a 64 bit retread on an old architecture....I'll continue to
>>>> buy AMD. Bobby
>
>

Andre
Tue Jun 28 09:54:03 CDT 2005

Huh, but Celeron is different from Sempron?
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"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:eJ5XcR3eFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Sorry, Andre, but the x64 Sempron has been available to _buy_ for several
> days now, and was announced over two weeks ago.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>
>
> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday,
>> putting the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to
>> come out with a chip of the same capacity in July.
>>
>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron
>> D S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart
>> from the addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls
>> EM64T.
>> Read the rest here:
>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>
>

Charlie
Wed Jun 29 00:38:17 CDT 2005

both are low end processor lines, from the different mfgs. They are
competitive processor lines.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Huh, but Celeron is different from Sempron?
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
> message news:eJ5XcR3eFHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry, Andre, but the x64 Sempron has been available to _buy_ for
>> several days now, and was announced over two weeks ago.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>
>>
>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
>>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday,
>>> putting the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to
>>> come out with a chip of the same capacity in July.
>>>
>>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current
>>> Celeron D S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly
>>> identical, apart from the addition of 64-bit processing technology,
>>> which Intel calls EM64T.
>>> Read the rest here:
>>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top

MagneticStorm
Wed Jun 29 12:31:02 CDT 2005

Your correct there Jud, and Alpha's were the first commercially widely
available 64 bit processors with DECstations running Windows NT Alpha back
around 93.

For the original post though, the Athlon 64 was released back in 2003..

Intel is not utterly behind the curve though but i am surprised they
bothered to release a Celeron64.. they should be releasing a less expensive
IA64. Their IA64 was available in 99 but they have dragged their feet on the
best chip they ever produced... If it were me.. i'ld get an IA64 before this
retread of the Celeron...

Also since the Alpha was brought up, some credit should go to the remants of
the Alpha team that went to AMD back in 98 that were responsible for most of
the original Athalon and all iterations since and that are responsible for
Hypertransport, Direct Connect and the on-die memory controller as well. The
venerable AlphaServer ES-40 which is almost 10 years old now had off chip
memory controllers with dual 256 bit memory paths to the cpu that ran at plus
5 gigs a sec... back in 96..

Had it not been for Windows 95 though Motorola would have had us on RISC
chips a long time ago.. Intel released plans to abandon CISC and go RISC by
99 in back in 94 thanks in large part to the PowerPC chip.

Sean ...You must be shuddering at the thought of trying to hack an OpenVMS
system :) It was the first operating system that was built based upon actual
research from major universities and papers regarding operating system
design. Back when operating system design ie computer science was still a
science ie able to be advanced due to sound priciples and engineering instead
of marketing decisions and compaitability issues.

Virus'es are all but non-existant, its almost completely immune to buffer
overruns, has the ability to assign privileges on a per process basis to
prevent process priviledge elevations, the list goes on and on. There is a
reason its still used for half the world's stock exchanges.. countless
banks.. the US military.

Its encouraging though that some of those priciples are starting to find
their way into current operating systems. Such as the new memory protection
flags in SP2, another page from Alpha's and OpenVMS's book. That's why buffer
overruns are next to impossible in the VMS core code. We can only hope that
Microsoft and Intel take advantage of the opportunity they have with IA64 to
integrate some of the features inherent in VMS. We will see...

"Sean M" wrote:

> One could easily argue that Alphas were hardly "mainstream". Certainly DEC
> never had intentions of selling them to the general public. God forbid Joe
> Average would not want to run OpenVMS at home.
>
> *shudders at the memory of OpenVMS*
>
> -- Sean M
>
> "Jud Hendrix" <cservice@maxxlength.com> wrote in message
> news:f3u1c1d5feaec2a1vpkoo375to14ufcsb6@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:03:25 -0700, "Matt Beals"
> > <matt_beals@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Well if we're talking about "first to market" Apple was there first with
> a
> > >mainstream 64bit processor. Mind you the market was small, but they got
> > >there before AMD or Intel. Never mind that Apple switched to Intlel....
> >
> > Wasn't the Alpha-processor even earlier?
> > (the one used in DEC's)
> >
> > jud
> >
>
>
>

Sean
Wed Jun 29 13:05:40 CDT 2005


"MagneticStorm" <MagneticStorm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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[snip]

> Intel is not utterly behind the curve though but i am surprised they
> bothered to release a Celeron64.. they should be releasing a less
expensive
> IA64. Their IA64 was available in 99 but they have dragged their feet on
the
> best chip they ever produced... If it were me.. i'ld get an IA64 before
this
> retread of the Celeron...
>
[snip]

+ 100% for suggesting a cheaper IA64
-- developers will never learn about things like the importance of
structure alignment[1] on the "true" 64-bit Intel with the crutches x86-64
(from either vendor) gives them to walk on
- 1000% for making me remember OpenVMS DCL

-- Sean M

[1] MSDN: Windows Data Alignment on IPF, x86, and x86-64
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/using/building/64bit/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dv_vstechart/html/vcconwindowsdataalignmentonipfx86x86-64.asp

AMD
Wed Jun 29 16:18:04 CDT 2005

They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting the
> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
> chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D S775
> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
> --
> Andre
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>
>
>
>

NoNoBadDog!
Wed Jun 29 19:42:41 CDT 2005

The sentiment among the Intel folks is that no one yet wants a 64 bit
notebook.

They snooze...They loose.

I am about to buy my 2nd 64 bit laptop (Turion ML-37). My company just
placed an order for 563 Turion based laptops, to be purchased in two lots.
Intel....you are half right. We don't want *Intel* 64 bit laptops.

Bobby

"AMD 64 user" <AMD 64 user@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CA304727-3602-4D66-97B1-5094F020C68C@microsoft.com...
> They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>
>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
>> the
>> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
>> chip of the same capacity in July.
>>
>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
>> S775
>> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
>> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>>
>> Read the rest here:
>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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>>
>>
>>
>>

Gilles
Thu Jun 30 20:25:26 CDT 2005

Soon, only pentium M will be only 32 bits in the PC cpu market

Gilles
Thu Jun 30 20:28:25 CDT 2005


"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
%23SU$oyQfFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The sentiment among the Intel folks is that no one yet wants a 64 bit
> notebook.

I think Pentium M need somes work to be 64 bits compatible.
The EM64T/AMD64 integration work is already sone on the AMD K8 core (used by
all socket 754/939/940 AMD chip, like Athlon 64/Turion and Sempron - except
socket 462 sempron), and on the Prescott core (used by current Celeron and
Pentium 4 and Xeon, on socket 775 and 640)

the Pentium M 64 bits integration work is not done already

Thomas
Fri Jul 01 14:17:54 CDT 2005

Matt Beals wrote:
> Well if we're talking about "first to market" Apple was there first with a
> mainstream 64bit processor. Mind you the market was small, but they got
> there before AMD or Intel. Never mind that Apple switched to Intlel....

Oh come on, I had a Sun Ultra 1 Creator on my desktop back in 1999.
Granted, it is not a typical desktop machine, but it was quite
impressive nevertheless. And the OS was certainly beating NT4 by a huge
margin. Unfortunately the CPU was not really that fast...

And now it is the year 2005, and I am still stuck with a 32bit CPU.
Actually it is the third 32bit box after the Ultra 1...

Thomas

Colin
Fri Jul 01 15:44:52 CDT 2005

I just bought my wife a Compaq Presario R4025US (Athlon 64 equipped). I am
impressed with it. It is a very nimble machine. Very responsive. Silky.
(Did I mention that I was impressed? :))

--
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"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%23SU$oyQfFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The sentiment among the Intel folks is that no one yet wants a 64 bit
> notebook.
>
> They snooze...They loose.
>
> I am about to buy my 2nd 64 bit laptop (Turion ML-37). My company just
> placed an order for 563 Turion based laptops, to be purchased in two lots.
> Intel....you are half right. We don't want *Intel* 64 bit laptops.
>
> Bobby
>
> "AMD 64 user" <AMD 64 user@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CA304727-3602-4D66-97B1-5094F020C68C@microsoft.com...
>> They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>>
>>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
>>> the
>>> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
>>> chip of the same capacity in July.
>>>
>>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
>>> S775
>>> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
>>> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>>>
>>> Read the rest here:
>>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Andre
Sun Jul 03 13:35:58 CDT 2005

Well, I wouldn't mind having a 64 bit Tablet PC. ;-)
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"NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
news:%23SU$oyQfFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> The sentiment among the Intel folks is that no one yet wants a 64 bit
> notebook.
>
> They snooze...They loose.
>
> I am about to buy my 2nd 64 bit laptop (Turion ML-37). My company just
> placed an order for 563 Turion based laptops, to be purchased in two lots.
> Intel....you are half right. We don't want *Intel* 64 bit laptops.
>
> Bobby
>
> "AMD 64 user" <AMD 64 user@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CA304727-3602-4D66-97B1-5094F020C68C@microsoft.com...
>> They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>>
>>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
>>> the
>>> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
>>> chip of the same capacity in July.
>>>
>>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
>>> S775
>>> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
>>> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>>>
>>> Read the rest here:
>>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Andre
Sun Jul 03 13:35:32 CDT 2005

Very true, but Intel still has 80% market share.
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"AMD 64 user" <AMD 64 user@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CA304727-3602-4D66-97B1-5094F020C68C@microsoft.com...
> They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>
>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
>> the
>> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with a
>> chip of the same capacity in July.
>>
>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
>> S775
>> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
>> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>>
>> Read the rest here:
>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>

NoNoBadDog!
Sun Jul 03 22:36:35 CDT 2005

Acer makes one, as does Averatec, I think.

Bobby

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23LWoR4$fFHA.1048@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Well, I wouldn't mind having a 64 bit Tablet PC. ;-)
> --
> Andre
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> "NoNoBadDog!" <no_@spam_verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:%23SU$oyQfFHA.2424@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> The sentiment among the Intel folks is that no one yet wants a 64 bit
>> notebook.
>>
>> They snooze...They loose.
>>
>> I am about to buy my 2nd 64 bit laptop (Turion ML-37). My company just
>> placed an order for 563 Turion based laptops, to be purchased in two
>> lots. Intel....you are half right. We don't want *Intel* 64 bit laptops.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "AMD 64 user" <AMD 64 user@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CA304727-3602-4D66-97B1-5094F020C68C@microsoft.com...
>>> They don't have the 64 bit notebook yet. Ha ha...
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
>>>> the
>>>> company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with
>>>> a
>>>> chip of the same capacity in July.
>>>>
>>>> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
>>>> S775
>>>> processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
>>>> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>>>>
>>>> Read the rest here:
>>>> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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>>>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yuhong
Sat Sep 10 15:43:15 CDT 2005

Now that 64-bit low-end processors is available from both Intel and AMD,
what will Microsoft do?

Yuhong Bao

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uA0cjw2eFHA.2844@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Intel released a 64-bit processor for mainstream PCs on Monday, putting
> the company a month ahead of rival AMD, which is expected to come out with
> a chip of the same capacity in July.
>
> Intel's new Celeron D 351 is the heir-apparent to the current Celeron D
> S775 processor series. The two chips are nearly identical, apart from the
> addition of 64-bit processing technology, which Intel calls EM64T.
>
> Read the rest here:
> http://news.com.com/Intels+Celeron+takes+the+64-bit+route/2100-1042_3-5764778.html?tag=nefd.top
> --
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