Hate to see

I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't much
use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins here.

AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against Intel
on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on the PC
industry.

Andre
Tue Jun 28 14:02:55 CDT 2005

You are asking for World War III here.
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"John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't much
>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins here.
>
> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against Intel
> on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on the PC
> industry.
>

M
Tue Jun 28 14:19:52 CDT 2005

This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a VERY
big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I will
not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion here.

Just.Won't.Go.There...

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> You are asking for World War III here.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
> news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't much
>>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins here.
>>
>> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
>> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on the
>> PC industry.
>>
>
>

Dale
Tue Jun 28 17:02:34 CDT 2005

Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also sued
Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which were 64
bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing every
and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all Steak, but
no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.

Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last year. I
use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips the
performance difference is really only noticeable when using a benchmark,
else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6 and
the other is a 3800+)

I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing else
forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
about, over a few percentage points either way.

My two cents


"M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a VERY
> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I
will
> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
here.
>
> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > You are asking for World War III here.
> > --
> > Andre
> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
> >
> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
much
> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
here.
> >>
> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on
the
> >> PC industry.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

M
Tue Jun 28 19:54:32 CDT 2005

Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft to
architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.


"Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also sued
> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which were
> 64
> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing every
> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all Steak,
> but
> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>
> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last year.
> I
> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips the
> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a benchmark,
> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6 and
> the other is a 3800+)
>
> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing
> else
> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>
> My two cents
>
>
> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a VERY
>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I
> will
>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
> here.
>>
>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>> > --
>> > Andre
>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>> >
>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
> much
>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
> here.
>> >>
>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on
> the
>> >> PC industry.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Fritz
Wed Jun 29 07:45:05 CDT 2005

Yeah just because a company sues another company doesn't mean they expect to
win. This could be purely for a news headline. AMD is trying to keep Intel on
their toes.

But then again, I would not be surprised if Intel has been using un-ethical
practices to enforce their domination of the industry, especially overseas.
This is common practice for larger corporations to hold their market share.
Look at it like corporate racketeering.
--
Fritz
Computer type person


"Dale Mad_Murdock White" wrote:

> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also sued
> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which were 64
> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing every
> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all Steak, but
> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>
> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last year. I
> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips the
> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a benchmark,
> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6 and
> the other is a 3800+)
>
> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing else
> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>
> My two cents
>
>
> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
> > Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a VERY
> > big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I
> will
> > not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
> > personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
> here.
> >
> > Just.Won't.Go.There...
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > You are asking for World War III here.
> > > --
> > > Andre
> > > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> > > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> > > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> > > FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
> > >
> > > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
> > > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
> much
> > >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
> > >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
> here.
> > >>
> > >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
> > >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
> > >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on
> the
> > >> PC industry.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Homer
Wed Jun 29 08:37:07 CDT 2005

> Yeah just because a company sues another company doesn't mean they expect
> to
> win. This could be purely for a news headline.

Yeah, because a headline that says "AMD lawsuit against Intel fails" would
do *so* much good for AMD.

I'm not saying this is gonna be the outcome...I'm just saying that if they
don't expect to win, then it's pretty stupid to file the lawsuit just to
grab headlines.

Then again, whenever you get lawyers involved, logic goes out the window.

Fritz
Wed Jun 29 08:46:19 CDT 2005

Microsoft sues people all the time. Do you think they expect to win every case?

AMD is miniscule in size compared to Intel and right now they are in full
out competition. This is definitely good for them and bad for Intel no matter
the outcome. Its the david and goliath media blitz.

--
Fritz
Computer type person


"Homer J. Simpson" wrote:

> > Yeah just because a company sues another company doesn't mean they expect
> > to
> > win. This could be purely for a news headline.
>
> Yeah, because a headline that says "AMD lawsuit against Intel fails" would
> do *so* much good for AMD.
>
> I'm not saying this is gonna be the outcome...I'm just saying that if they
> don't expect to win, then it's pretty stupid to file the lawsuit just to
> grab headlines.
>
> Then again, whenever you get lawyers involved, logic goes out the window.
>
>
>

Andre
Wed Jun 29 10:08:38 CDT 2005

Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what he
looks like.
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"M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft to
> architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>
>
> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also sued
>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which were
>> 64
>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>> every
>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all Steak,
>> but
>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>
>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>> year. I
>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips the
>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a benchmark,
>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6 and
>> the other is a 3800+)
>>
>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing
>> else
>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>
>> My two cents
>>
>>
>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a
>>> VERY
>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I
>> will
>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
>> here.
>>>
>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>> > --
>>> > Andre
>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>> >
>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
>> much
>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
>> here.
>>> >>
>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on
>> the
>>> >> PC industry.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

M
Wed Jun 29 13:07:22 CDT 2005

Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what he
> looks like.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft to
>> architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>>
>>
>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also sued
>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which
>>> were 64
>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>>> every
>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all Steak,
>>> but
>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>
>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>>> year. I
>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips
>>> the
>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a benchmark,
>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6
>>> and
>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>
>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing
>>> else
>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>
>>> My two cents
>>>
>>>
>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a
>>>> VERY
>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And I
>>> will
>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>> > --
>>>> > Andre
>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>> >
>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
>>> much
>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
>>> here.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against
>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on
>>> the
>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Andre
Wed Jun 29 15:23:10 CDT 2005

Google searched:
http://www.inpc.de/pics/davecutler.JPG

Can you confirm, I'm on dialup, can't bother to download or stream video and
I also can't bother with Real Player right now.
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"M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:e%23lczTNfFHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
> Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.
>
> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what he
>> looks like.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft to
>>> architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also
>>>> sued
>>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which
>>>> were 64
>>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>>>> every
>>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor, it
>>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all
>>>> Steak, but
>>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>>>> year. I
>>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips
>>>> the
>>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a
>>>> benchmark,
>>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6
>>>> and
>>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>>
>>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if nothing
>>>> else
>>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
>>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>>
>>>> My two cents
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone through.
>>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a
>>>>> VERY
>>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And
>>>>> I
>>>> will
>>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my opinion
>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Andre
>>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't
>>>> much
>>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins
>>>> here.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit
>>>>> >> against
>>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip
>>>>> >> on
>>>> the
>>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Torrey
Wed Jun 29 15:49:31 CDT 2005

I used Windows Media Player to view it.

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"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6QxlhOfFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Google searched:
> http://www.inpc.de/pics/davecutler.JPG
>
> Can you confirm, I'm on dialup, can't bother to download or stream video
> and I also can't bother with Real Player right now.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:e%23lczTNfFHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
>> Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.
>>
>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what
>>> he looks like.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>
>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft
>>>> to architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also
>>>>> sued
>>>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which
>>>>> were 64
>>>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>>>>> every
>>>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor,
>>>>> it
>>>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all
>>>>> Steak, but
>>>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>>>>> year. I
>>>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>>>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips
>>>>> the
>>>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a
>>>>> benchmark,
>>>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6
>>>>> and
>>>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if
>>>>> nothing else
>>>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us care
>>>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>>>
>>>>> My two cents
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone
>>>>>> through.
>>>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a
>>>>>> VERY
>>>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here. And
>>>>>> I
>>>>> will
>>>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>>>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my
>>>>>> opinion
>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Andre
>>>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and
>>>>>> >>don't
>>>>> much
>>>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
>>>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one
>>>>>> >> wins
>>>>> here.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit
>>>>>> >> against
>>>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip
>>>>>> >> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Andre
Wed Jun 29 16:29:11 CDT 2005

So that link to that picture I posted, is it Dave Cutler?
--
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"Torrey Lauer" <torrey@nospam.moderntravel.net> wrote in message
news:eYilNwOfFHA.3916@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I used Windows Media Player to view it.
>
> --
> Torrey Lauer
> Modern Travel Services
> moderntravel DOT net
>
> Rainbow Sky Travel
> rainbow sky travel DOT net
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6QxlhOfFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Google searched:
>> http://www.inpc.de/pics/davecutler.JPG
>>
>> Can you confirm, I'm on dialup, can't bother to download or stream video
>> and I also can't bother with Real Player right now.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:e%23lczTNfFHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
>>> Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.
>>>
>>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what
>>>> he looks like.
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>
>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft
>>>>> to architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also
>>>>>> sued
>>>>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which
>>>>>> were 64
>>>>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all
>>>>>> Steak, but
>>>>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>>>>>> year. I
>>>>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>>>>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like chips
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a
>>>>>> benchmark,
>>>>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a 3.6
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if
>>>>>> nothing else
>>>>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us
>>>>>> care
>>>>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My two cents
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone
>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is a
>>>>>>> VERY
>>>>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here.
>>>>>>> And I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how much
>>>>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my
>>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Andre
>>>>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and
>>>>>>> >>don't
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of
>>>>>>> >>desperation.
>>>>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one
>>>>>>> >> wins
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit
>>>>>>> >> against
>>>>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip
>>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Torrey
Wed Jun 29 17:03:31 CDT 2005

Yes.

--
Torrey Lauer
Modern Travel Services
moderntravel DOT net

Rainbow Sky Travel
rainbow sky travel DOT net
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23JCadGPfFHA.3916@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> So that link to that picture I posted, is it Dave Cutler?
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "Torrey Lauer" <torrey@nospam.moderntravel.net> wrote in message
> news:eYilNwOfFHA.3916@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>I used Windows Media Player to view it.
>>
>> --
>> Torrey Lauer
>> Modern Travel Services
>> moderntravel DOT net
>>
>> Rainbow Sky Travel
>> rainbow sky travel DOT net
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6QxlhOfFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> Google searched:
>>> http://www.inpc.de/pics/davecutler.JPG
>>>
>>> Can you confirm, I'm on dialup, can't bother to download or stream video
>>> and I also can't bother with Real Player right now.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>
>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e%23lczTNfFHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>> Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
>>>> Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
>>>>
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know what
>>>>> he looks like.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andre
>>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to Microsoft
>>>>>> to architect NT. Well, there are still some people running OpenVMS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also
>>>>>>> sued
>>>>>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors, which
>>>>>>> were 64
>>>>>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse marketing
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest processor,
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all
>>>>>>> Steak, but
>>>>>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD last
>>>>>>> year. I
>>>>>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In my
>>>>>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like
>>>>>>> chips the
>>>>>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a
>>>>>>> benchmark,
>>>>>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a
>>>>>>> 3.6 and
>>>>>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if
>>>>>>> nothing else
>>>>>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us
>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My two cents
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone
>>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is
>>>>>>>> a VERY
>>>>>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here.
>>>>>>>> And I
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my
>>>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > Andre
>>>>>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and
>>>>>>>> >>don't
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of
>>>>>>>> >>desperation.
>>>>>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one
>>>>>>>> >> wins
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>>>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit
>>>>>>>> >> against
>>>>>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic
>>>>>>>> >> grip on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Andre
Wed Jun 29 18:26:27 CDT 2005

Thank you.
--
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Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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"Torrey Lauer" <torrey@nospam.moderntravel.net> wrote in message
news:ut8FkZPfFHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Yes.
>
> --
> Torrey Lauer
> Modern Travel Services
> moderntravel DOT net
>
> Rainbow Sky Travel
> rainbow sky travel DOT net
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23JCadGPfFHA.3916@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> So that link to that picture I posted, is it Dave Cutler?
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>> "Torrey Lauer" <torrey@nospam.moderntravel.net> wrote in message
>> news:eYilNwOfFHA.3916@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>I used Windows Media Player to view it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Torrey Lauer
>>> Modern Travel Services
>>> moderntravel DOT net
>>>
>>> Rainbow Sky Travel
>>> rainbow sky travel DOT net
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e6QxlhOfFHA.1044@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>> Google searched:
>>>> http://www.inpc.de/pics/davecutler.JPG
>>>>
>>>> Can you confirm, I'm on dialup, can't bother to download or stream
>>>> video and I also can't bother with Real Player right now.
>>>> --
>>>> Andre
>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>
>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e%23lczTNfFHA.2512@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Here's a link from the AMD site of Cutler on video talking about x64.
>>>>> Unfortunately, you need RealPlayer (ugh!) to see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Weblets/0,,7832_8366_7823_8718%5E7839,00.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uP6ozxLfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Has anyone ever seen a picture of Dave Cutler? I still don't know
>>>>>> what he looks like.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andre
>>>>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23SfPcUEfFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Yeah, and DEC is where Dave Cutler worked before he came to
>>>>>>> Microsoft to architect NT. Well, there are still some people
>>>>>>> running OpenVMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dale Mad_Murdock White" <inserthandle@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0uadnc-J1LZnVVzfRVn-qw@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> Kinda reminds me of my old company Digital Equipment Corp (who also
>>>>>>>> sued
>>>>>>>> Intel for steal their technology) with their Alpha Processors,
>>>>>>>> which were 64
>>>>>>>> bit back in 95. But anyways, Digital aka DEC had the worse
>>>>>>>> marketing every
>>>>>>>> and everytime a mag would write a review about the latest
>>>>>>>> processor, it
>>>>>>>> would be something like, "As usual DEC deliver a chip that is all
>>>>>>>> Steak, but
>>>>>>>> no sizzle" meaning we could market it for crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyways, I was a die hardcore Intel guy, but switch over to AMD
>>>>>>>> last year. I
>>>>>>>> use my homebuilt Intel at work and the AMD for home and games. In
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> opinion, they are both fine processors, and when comparing like
>>>>>>>> chips the
>>>>>>>> performance difference is really only noticeable when using a
>>>>>>>> benchmark,
>>>>>>>> else I would never know one from the other (mainly cause one is a
>>>>>>>> 3.6 and
>>>>>>>> the other is a 3800+)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think AMD has done a great job of making a great chip, and if
>>>>>>>> nothing else
>>>>>>>> forced Intel to drop their prices, which is all I think any of us
>>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>> about, over a few percentage points either way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My two cents
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uizMrXBfFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> This is really somewhat different from what Microsof has gone
>>>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>>>> Chipmaking is really a capital-intensive heavy industry. Intel is
>>>>>>>>> a VERY
>>>>>>>>> big industrial company. I think AMD may have miscalculated here.
>>>>>>>>> And I
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> not be responding to ANY flames from AMD fanbots, no matter how
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> personal invective they might try to heap on me for stating my
>>>>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just.Won't.Go.There...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>> news:uaeREQBfFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> > You are asking for World War III here.
>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>> > Andre
>>>>>>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>>>>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>>>>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>>>>>>> > FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > "John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> > news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> >>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and
>>>>>>>>> >>don't
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> >>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of
>>>>>>>>> >>desperation.
>>>>>>>>> >> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one
>>>>>>>>> >> wins
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
>>>>>>>>> >> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit
>>>>>>>>> >> against
>>>>>>>>> >> Intel on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic
>>>>>>>>> >> grip on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> >> PC industry.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Homer
Thu Jun 30 09:19:48 CDT 2005

> This is definitely good for them and bad for Intel no matter
> the outcome. Its the david and goliath media blitz.

I don't know. Until this lawsuit was announced, I was split over getting an
AMD X2 or a P4 Extreme Edition (I've always been an Intel fanboy but it
looks like the X2 is gonna give Intel a real run for its money). Now I know
I'm not gonna spend a grand on an AMD chip only to have it go their lawyers.

Filing frivolous lawsuits is one way to turn me away from a company. If you
believe otherwise, then that's your right.

Steve
Thu Jun 30 10:07:08 CDT 2005

Homer J. Simpson wrote:

>>This is definitely good for them and bad for Intel no matter
>>the outcome. Its the david and goliath media blitz.
>
>I don't know. Until this lawsuit was announced, I was split over getting
>an AMD X2 or a P4 Extreme Edition (I've always been an Intel fanboy but it
>looks like the X2 is gonna give Intel a real run for its money). Now I
>know I'm not gonna spend a grand on an AMD chip only to have it go their
>lawyers.
>
>Filing frivolous lawsuits is one way to turn me away from a company. If
>you believe otherwise, then that's your right.

How's this for frivolous?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/30/intel_inside_nastygram/

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Intel_Fan
Thu Jun 30 10:15:09 CDT 2005

And I thought this sort of behavior was limited to pharmaceuticals. I hope
the claims turn out to be unfounded but it makes good reading.

Press Release
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~99713,00.html
Full Complaint
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD-Intel_Full_Complaint.pdf

"John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
news:e$qjk$AfFHA.3880@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I hate to see this kind of thing. I love my AMD computers and don't much
>use my Intel anymore, but this is just a stupid act of desperation.
> Just like I hated to see Microsoft crippled by theirs. No one wins here.
>
> AMD files antitrust suit against Intel
> Advanced Micro Devices fired off a federal antitrust lawsuit against Intel
> on Tuesday, claiming that its rival has a monopolistic grip on the PC
> industry.
>

Andre
Thu Jun 30 10:24:30 CDT 2005

Lets hope we see a merger between AMD and Intel. ;-) AMD handles 64 bit on
the desktop and Small Business, Mid-Market and Intel handles 64 bit on the
high-end Enterprise Server.
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