Final Thoughts.. (LONG)

As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last year:

I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo printer
and I'm unwilling to do that.

I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version of
Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I going
to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse. That's
OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
clean as Logitech's Mouseware.

I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.

When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64 bit
would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
that's the way it is....

So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to learn
Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what it
offers.

I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
applications.

I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
the same question for the umpteenth time!

One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of that
patience, OK? ;-)

I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been months
since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so it
may not be often.

You guys play nice now!


--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Andre
Fri Jul 22 20:15:42 CDT 2005

Sorry things didn't work out for, maybe Windows Vista will give you better
view. By the way, I don't answer every question, I might have discussions in
most threads, but it doesn't lead to me answering every question. Lets drop
the quoting issue, we are past that now.

Today is not one of my good days it seems.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Wayne
Fri Jul 22 20:33:49 CDT 2005

David, the only think I can say to your post is, upgrade your mouse to a
wireless Logitech that was made recently. Then, download the 64 bit drivers
for it from Logitech, being SetPoint.


You know you had to upgrade your motherboard and cpu to 64 bit, so why not
upgrade your mouse as well? Plus, the 64 bit Setpoint drivers also work for
recent (even non-wireless) keyboards.

Wayne

Charlie
Sat Jul 23 00:14:34 CDT 2005

David --
Well, I hope we'll see you back eventually. I have hopes that the driver
situation will improve as we go along, though you're probably right that some
existing models will simply not get upgraded. I'm still running on my 32-bit
machine for my day to day, but I expect that to change any time now.
Basically as soon as I can free one piece of hardware up to do the conversion
and migration. Of course, if I get that new Ferrari, that will simply move
over to my every day machine. This 32-bit will get server on it, and my main
Athlon 64 will get server as well.

--
Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
======================
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for
> the second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the
> last year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon
> S900, Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model
> photo printer and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit
> version of Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off.
> Neither am I going to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against
> using the middle mouse button any time soon so I can't substitute
> MSFT drivers for my mouse. That's OK, MSFT drivers never worked as
> well as Logitech but I really NEED that middle button to double click
> and third party software isn't as neat and clean as Logitech's
> Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that
> XP includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot
> menu now leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when
> I immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and
> chip, when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and
> downloaded the early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO
> idea it was going to whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who
> would have told me Linux 64 bit would work for me and Windows X64
> wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn
> and see what it offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group)
> has been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he
> answers the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post
> here! Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses
> some of that patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no
> help here so it may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!

Ted
Sat Jul 23 01:29:07 CDT 2005

I bit Longhorn has bigger horns than xp and xp 64.


"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Christian
Sat Jul 23 07:03:55 CDT 2005

David R. Norton MVP <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for
> the second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the
> last year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon
> S900, Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model
> photo printer and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit
> version of Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off.
> Neither am I going to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against
> using the middle mouse button any time soon so I can't substitute
> MSFT drivers for my mouse. That's OK, MSFT drivers never worked as
> well as Logitech but I really NEED that middle button to double click
> and third party software isn't as neat and clean as Logitech's
> Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that
> XP includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot
> menu now leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when
> I immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and
> chip, when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and
> downloaded the early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO
> idea it was going to whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who
> would have told me Linux 64 bit would work for me and Windows X64
> wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn
> and see what it offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group)
> has been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he
> answers the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post
> here! Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses
> some of that patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no
> help here so it may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!

Hi David,

I'm sad to see you leaving...anyway, another few days and you'll be able to
test the x64 version of Vista, or better said WinVi :)
As far as I understand, the drivers for WinVi will be ok for XP x64, so it's
just a question of patience.

See you around :)

Cheers


--
Christian Hougardy
(Ruiselede - Belgium)
http://msmvps.com/xpditif
http://msmvps.com/xperts64

E
Sat Jul 23 09:03:15 CDT 2005

David:

Life is too short to allow a computer to get the better of you.
Put down the mouse and step away from the computer.

I don't see much difference anyway, its just a "New Toy"

Soon enough we can all test Asta la "Vista" and create a whole new set of
headaches for ourselves.

E.B. Farnum Mayor
Deadwood
Dakota Territory

Vaya Con Dios
Post On Mi Amigo



"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

David
Sat Jul 23 10:30:11 CDT 2005

"Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:

> David, the only think I can say to your post is, upgrade your mouse to a
> wireless Logitech that was made recently. Then, download the 64 bit drivers
> for it from Logitech, being SetPoint.

I'd prefer genital herpes to a wireless anything. Aint NEVER gonna happen.

There will be conventional meece... er... mices.. er, mouses.. er, pointing
devices with 64 bit drivers eventually, I'll consider that when they're
available.

--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

David
Sat Jul 23 10:32:50 CDT 2005

"Ted" <2000@xxxmsn.com> wrote in:

> I bit Longhorn has bigger horns than xp and xp 64.

Longhorn is extinct, it's Windows Vista now so as to continue the trend of
silly names for operating systems from MSFT...


--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

E
Sat Jul 23 10:51:20 CDT 2005

Hmmmm...Why not just use a normal optical ps2 mouse?

I've got the old standby Microsoft ps2 optical and it works jess fine.
And the old standard type Qwerty ps2 as well.

I don't understand the need for a wireless mouse or keyboard.
Its not like you're wandering around the house typing or clicking on
anything..

Rule of Thumb #1 KISS

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

Git er Done

E.B. Farnum Mayor
Deadwood
Dakota Territory

Vaya Con Dios Mi Amigo


"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969C567FCE693drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Wayne Wastier" <waynewastier@nospam.charter.net> wrote in:
>
>> David, the only think I can say to your post is, upgrade your mouse to a
>> wireless Logitech that was made recently. Then, download the 64 bit
>> drivers
>> for it from Logitech, being SetPoint.
>
> I'd prefer genital herpes to a wireless anything. Aint NEVER gonna
> happen.
>
> There will be conventional meece... er... mices.. er, mouses.. er,
> pointing
> devices with 64 bit drivers eventually, I'll consider that when they're
> available.
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

John
Sat Jul 23 10:54:46 CDT 2005

You are not the first and certainly not going to be the last. Good luck.
"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

David
Sat Jul 23 11:54:04 CDT 2005

"E.B. Farnum" <EB.F@Deadwood.gov> wrote in:

> Hmmmm...Why not just use a normal optical ps2 mouse?

That's what I'm using, tell me how can I activate the middle button to double
click w/o third party software? Logitech Mouseware does this and much more
but will not install on X64 and the drivers provided by Microsoft continue
their irrational fear of allowing the middle button to work.


--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Andre
Sat Jul 23 18:26:40 CDT 2005

Should we call David a victim of x64? Thats what happens when you are on the
bleeding edge.
--
Andre
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

"John Barnes" <jbfoofy@email.net> wrote in message
news:usXFc75jFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> You are not the first and certainly not going to be the last. Good luck.
> "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>>
>> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
>> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
>> year:
>>
>> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
>> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
>> printer
>> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>>
>> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit
>> version of
>> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
>> going
>> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
>> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
>> That's
>> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
>> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
>> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>>
>> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
>> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
>> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>>
>> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
>> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
>> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
>> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going
>> to
>> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
>> bit
>> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
>> that's the way it is....
>>
>> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
>> learn
>> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
>> it
>> offers.
>>
>> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
>> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
>> applications.
>>
>> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he
>> answers
>> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>>
>> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
>> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
>> that
>> patience, OK? ;-)
>>
>> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
>> months
>> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
>> it
>> may not be often.
>>
>> You guys play nice now!
>>
>>
>> --
>> David R. Norton MVP
>> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>
>

Bob
Sat Jul 23 20:38:15 CDT 2005

Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and give you
all the features of Mouseware.
--
Bob Benedetti
"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

J
Sat Jul 23 21:05:08 CDT 2005

Final Thoughts? Sounds like a Funeral.
Who Died?

No, No W...Thats Nuclear, Not Nucular.

Its good to Have a Brother In High Places!

J.Bush Governor
Hallatassee, Florida


"Bob Benedetti" <bob.benedetti@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:%23k%23%23XB$jFHA.2896@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and give you
> all the features of Mouseware.
> --
> Bob Benedetti
> "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>>
>> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
>> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
>> year:
>>
>> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
>> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
>> printer
>> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>>
>> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit
>> version of
>> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
>> going
>> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
>> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
>> That's
>> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
>> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
>> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>>
>> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
>> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
>> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>>
>> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
>> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
>> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
>> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going
>> to
>> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
>> bit
>> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
>> that's the way it is....
>>
>> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
>> learn
>> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
>> it
>> offers.
>>
>> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
>> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
>> applications.
>>
>> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he
>> answers
>> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>>
>> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
>> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
>> that
>> patience, OK? ;-)
>>
>> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
>> months
>> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
>> it
>> may not be often.
>>
>> You guys play nice now!
>>
>>
>> --
>> David R. Norton MVP
>> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>
>
>

David
Sat Jul 23 21:14:43 CDT 2005

"Bob Benedetti" <bob.benedetti@sympatico.ca> wrote in:

> Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and give you
> all the features of Mouseware.

Sure don't. Won't even install.

--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Ed
Sun Jul 24 07:21:18 CDT 2005

On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:14:43 -0700, "David R. Norton MVP"
<d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>"Bob Benedetti" <bob.benedetti@sympatico.ca> wrote in:
>
>> Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and give you
>> all the features of Mouseware.
>
>Sure don't. Won't even install.

Here I thought that I had downloaded the Logitech 64-bit version of
Setpoint and installed it on my machine a couple of weeks ago and now
David here points out that I was mistaken, that it never happened.

What's worse, even though David has set me straight, I clicked on the
Setpoint icon and the hallucination persists because the Mouse and
Keyboards Settings Menu sits before me like a wraith. It even pretends
to adjust my mouse settings and has insidiously changed the driver
settings in Device Manager to some fake Logitech driver.

I can't tell you how this worries me.

David
Sun Jul 24 10:19:31 CDT 2005

Ed Roth <roth267@notatthisaddress.com.invalid> wrote in:

> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:14:43 -0700, "David R. Norton MVP"
> <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>"Bob Benedetti" <bob.benedetti@sympatico.ca> wrote in:
>>
>>> Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and give you
>>> all the features of Mouseware.
>>
>>Sure don't. Won't even install.
>
> Here I thought that I had downloaded the Logitech 64-bit version of
> Setpoint and installed it on my machine a couple of weeks ago and now
> David here points out that I was mistaken, that it never happened.

Delighted I could help.

> What's worse, even though David has set me straight, I clicked on the
> Setpoint icon and the hallucination persists because the Mouse and
> Keyboards Settings Menu sits before me like a wraith. It even pretends
> to adjust my mouse settings and has insidiously changed the driver
> settings in Device Manager to some fake Logitech driver.
>
> I can't tell you how this worries me.

It should worry you, when I tried the setpoint drivers I had NO mouse at all
until I removed them.


--
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<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Charlie
Sun Jul 24 10:59:37 CDT 2005

David -- Just a thought, but if double-clicking is a big problem for you, why
not set Windows to use single click? Personally, I don't much like the
option, but my wife has problems with double-clicking and has found it a
reasonable solution.

--
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======================
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David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> Ed Roth <roth267@notatthisaddress.com.invalid> wrote in:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:14:43 -0700, "David R. Norton MVP"
>> <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bob Benedetti" <bob.benedetti@sympatico.ca> wrote in:
>>>
>>>> Logitech's x64 setpoint drivers work fine with a wired mouse and
>>>> give you all the features of Mouseware.
>>>
>>> Sure don't. Won't even install.
>>
>> Here I thought that I had downloaded the Logitech 64-bit version of
>> Setpoint and installed it on my machine a couple of weeks ago and now
>> David here points out that I was mistaken, that it never happened.
>
> Delighted I could help.
>
>> What's worse, even though David has set me straight, I clicked on the
>> Setpoint icon and the hallucination persists because the Mouse and
>> Keyboards Settings Menu sits before me like a wraith. It even
>> pretends to adjust my mouse settings and has insidiously changed the
>> driver settings in Device Manager to some fake Logitech driver.
>>
>> I can't tell you how this worries me.
>
> It should worry you, when I tried the setpoint drivers I had NO mouse
> at all until I removed them.

David
Sun Jul 24 18:12:18 CDT 2005

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in:

> David -- Just a thought, but if double-clicking is a big problem for
> you, why not set Windows to use single click? Personally, I don't much
> like the option, but my wife has problems with double-clicking and has
> found it a reasonable solution.

I was never able to get used to it. Anyway, the problem was solved with 3rd
party software, the most excellent Xmouse button control worked perfectly

http://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMouseButtonControl.htm

and reduced the features that make X64 unusable to me by one. Of course,
that still left several dozens that were unsolvable but I think that Logitech
not making 64 bit mouseware available yet (they say it's coming) was what
irked me the most because the only real fix is to get a cordless mouse that
will use the Setpoint drivers or buy their one and only corded mouse for big
bucks that will use Setpoint. It seems to me they've ignored every mouse and
trackball they've made in the past with their decision to create a 64 bit
Mouseware "someday. but not very soon".

Anyway, my decision to dump X64 is based partly on X64 being (in my opinion)
an interim OS. I'll wait for Vista/Longhorn/Yournamehere and see what's
supported and what isn't.

--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Ted
Mon Jul 25 11:07:27 CDT 2005

Maybe you want to hear my Win 95 in 1995 story.

Before Win 95 release, most name brand magazines said
that they tested World Perfect, Lotus and every latest hardware
and software released to be compatible with Win 95.

So I believed the liars, and I bought P90 for about $2900,
in April of 1995.
And I bought World Perfect and Lotus suites for about $900,
which were also claimed to be tested by those magazines.

For two months after Win 95 release, I was formatting
the hard drive on daily bases, because all these programs
that I had crashed Win 95.
On top of that, I found that my motherboard, video card,
and printer, were not compatible with Win 95.
The 16 MB memory and the 500 MB hard drive were also
not enough for Win 95.

Waited until December 1995 (almost 4 months), until
Asus came up with a compatible motherboard. Also
Matrox came up with a 4 MB Video card for $450.
Had to buy 64 MB memory, another one gigabyte hard
drive, which also I had to upgrade a second time.
Had to dump World Perfect and Lotus and every software
that I had.
In total I lost about $5000.
It wasn't until the end of 1996, when you were able to find
hardware and software for Win 95.

Since MS didn't make a 64 bit retail version, I believe
64 hardware might take much longer. But we are lucky that we can
put a computer together at this time running 64 Windows.

Now the big crime, is that MS have discontinued Visual Basic
com, and migrated to worthless net.
Many years by millions were invested on VB, and billions were
spend by the consumer.
Also millions going to dump programming altogether very soon.
MS being like little kids, has no value to precious things.
An old saying says, "don't put your diamonds in front of
a pig, because it will step all over them, and wouldn't realize
their value".
Millions bet their life and money on MS and MS products, to
find out they were kicked out in the cold.




"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969BB6C90FF1drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>
> As I get older, I learn more and having passed birthday number 35 for the
> second time <g> last month here's some things I've learned in the last
> year:
>
> I've learned that I'm not going to see 64 bit drivers for my Canon S900,
> Canon has pretty much said so. I'll need to buy a later model photo
> printer
> and I'm unwilling to do that.
>
> I've learned I'm probably not going to see Logitech issue a 64 bit version
> of
> Mouseware in the near future, that project seems far off. Neither am I
> going
> to see Microsoft drop their insane phobia against using the middle mouse
> button any time soon so I can't substitute MSFT drivers for my mouse.
> That's
> OK, MSFT drivers never worked as well as Logitech but I really NEED that
> middle button to double click and third party software isn't as neat and
> clean as Logitech's Mouseware.
>
> I've learned I have no tolerance for the missing features of X64 that XP
> includes so.... It's gone. Drive H is re-formatted and the boot menu now
> leaves only XP and Mandriva Linux.
>
> When I stumbled across the first reference to X64 on AMD's site, when I
> immediately logged on to NewEgg and ordered a 64bit motherboard and chip,
> when they arrived and I assembled my upgraded computer and downloaded the
> early version of X64, believe me, I had absolutely NO idea it was going to
> whip me and I'd have argued with anyone who would have told me Linux 64
> bit
> would work for me and Windows X64 wouldn't! I'm still a bit shocked but
> that's the way it is....
>
> So it's back to XP, the 32 bit version while I continue to attempt to
> learn
> Linux and while I wait for the OS formerly known as Longhorn and see what
> it
> offers.
>
> I've been amazed at how much help this group (and the previous group) has
> been and how effectively you folks have ferreted out drivers and
> applications.
>
> I've been even more amazed as the patience of Mike Brannagan as he answers
> the same question for the umpteenth time!
>
> One last word, Andre, you do NOT have to answer every single post here!
> Really, you don't. And quit plagiarizing Mike before he loses some of
> that
> patience, OK? ;-)
>
> I won't be gone, I'll check in from time to time but since it's been
> months
> since I've even tried to use X64 I'm afraid I'm of almost no help here so
> it
> may not be often.
>
> You guys play nice now!
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Charlie
Mon Jul 25 10:07:32 CDT 2005

I never learned to like single click mode either. But good pointer to the
Xmouse software.

--
Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
======================
Charlie.
http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in:
>
>> David -- Just a thought, but if double-clicking is a big problem for
>> you, why not set Windows to use single click? Personally, I don't
>> much like the option, but my wife has problems with double-clicking
>> and has found it a reasonable solution.
>
> I was never able to get used to it. Anyway, the problem was solved
> with 3rd party software, the most excellent Xmouse button control
> worked perfectly
>
> http://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMouseButtonControl.htm
>
> and reduced the features that make X64 unusable to me by one. Of
> course, that still left several dozens that were unsolvable but I
> think that Logitech not making 64 bit mouseware available yet (they
> say it's coming) was what irked me the most because the only real fix
> is to get a cordless mouse that will use the Setpoint drivers or buy
> their one and only corded mouse for big bucks that will use Setpoint.
> It seems to me they've ignored every mouse and trackball they've made
> in the past with their decision to create a 64 bit Mouseware
> "someday. but not very soon".
>
> Anyway, my decision to dump X64 is based partly on X64 being (in my
> opinion) an interim OS. I'll wait for Vista/Longhorn/Yournamehere
> and see what's supported and what isn't.

Charlie
Mon Jul 25 13:12:25 CDT 2005

Blogged. Thanks again for the link, David.

--
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======================
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http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/


David R. Norton MVP wrote:
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in:
>
>> David -- Just a thought, but if double-clicking is a big problem for
>> you, why not set Windows to use single click? Personally, I don't
>> much like the option, but my wife has problems with double-clicking
>> and has found it a reasonable solution.
>
> I was never able to get used to it. Anyway, the problem was solved
> with 3rd party software, the most excellent Xmouse button control
> worked perfectly
>
> http://www.highrez.co.uk/downloads/XMouseButtonControl.htm
>
> and reduced the features that make X64 unusable to me by one. Of
> course, that still left several dozens that were unsolvable but I
> think that Logitech not making 64 bit mouseware available yet (they
> say it's coming) was what irked me the most because the only real fix
> is to get a cordless mouse that will use the Setpoint drivers or buy
> their one and only corded mouse for big bucks that will use Setpoint.
> It seems to me they've ignored every mouse and trackball they've made
> in the past with their decision to create a 64 bit Mouseware
> "someday. but not very soon".
>
> Anyway, my decision to dump X64 is based partly on X64 being (in my
> opinion) an interim OS. I'll wait for Vista/Longhorn/Yournamehere
> and see what's supported and what isn't.

David
Mon Jul 25 15:17:02 CDT 2005

"Ted" <2000@xxxmsn.com> wrote in:

> Maybe you want to hear my Win 95 in 1995 story.
>
> Before Win 95 release, most name brand magazines said
> that they tested World Perfect, Lotus and every latest hardware
> and software released to be compatible with Win 95.
>
> So I believed the liars, and I bought P90 for about $2900,
> in April of 1995.
> And I bought World Perfect and Lotus suites for about $900,
> which were also claimed to be tested by those magazines.
>
> For two months after Win 95 release, I was formatting
> the hard drive on daily bases, because all these programs
> that I had crashed Win 95.
> On top of that, I found that my motherboard, video card,
> and printer, were not compatible with Win 95.
> The 16 MB memory and the 500 MB hard drive were also
> not enough for Win 95.
>
> Waited until December 1995 (almost 4 months), until
> Asus came up with a compatible motherboard. Also
> Matrox came up with a 4 MB Video card for $450.
> Had to buy 64 MB memory, another one gigabyte hard
> drive, which also I had to upgrade a second time.
> Had to dump World Perfect and Lotus and every software
> that I had.
> In total I lost about $5000.
> It wasn't until the end of 1996, when you were able to find
> hardware and software for Win 95.

Here's my Windows 95 story: I beta tested it from the first beta release, it
worked perfectly with my existing hardware (a 486 at the time, I believe) and
software. I had absolutely no problems of any kind with the first or any
subsequent beta releases.



--
David R. Norton MVP
<d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Ted
Mon Jul 25 16:58:04 CDT 2005

>Here's my Windows 95 story: I beta tested it from the first beta release,
>it
>worked perfectly with my existing hardware (a 486 at the time, I believe)
>and
>software.
You were from the minority that had a compatible Bios.
I was in the WIN 95 MSN newsgroup in 1995, you were not.
There was no Microsoft Newsgroup then.
Diamond and ATI the only video card makers then, and neither
had good drivers for Win 95.
Actually Diamond went from being the very top seller, to no
seller at all.
You most likely had to beef up the RAM that got you no where,
except having to upgrade.




"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969E872212E67drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Ted" <2000@xxxmsn.com> wrote in:
>
>> Maybe you want to hear my Win 95 in 1995 story.
>>
>> Before Win 95 release, most name brand magazines said
>> that they tested World Perfect, Lotus and every latest hardware
>> and software released to be compatible with Win 95.
>>
>> So I believed the liars, and I bought P90 for about $2900,
>> in April of 1995.
>> And I bought World Perfect and Lotus suites for about $900,
>> which were also claimed to be tested by those magazines.
>>
>> For two months after Win 95 release, I was formatting
>> the hard drive on daily bases, because all these programs
>> that I had crashed Win 95.
>> On top of that, I found that my motherboard, video card,
>> and printer, were not compatible with Win 95.
>> The 16 MB memory and the 500 MB hard drive were also
>> not enough for Win 95.
>>
>> Waited until December 1995 (almost 4 months), until
>> Asus came up with a compatible motherboard. Also
>> Matrox came up with a 4 MB Video card for $450.
>> Had to buy 64 MB memory, another one gigabyte hard
>> drive, which also I had to upgrade a second time.
>> Had to dump World Perfect and Lotus and every software
>> that I had.
>> In total I lost about $5000.
>> It wasn't until the end of 1996, when you were able to find
>> hardware and software for Win 95.
>
> Here's my Windows 95 story: I beta tested it from the first beta release,
> it
> worked perfectly with my existing hardware (a 486 at the time, I believe)
> and
> software. I had absolutely no problems of any kind with the first or any
> subsequent beta releases.
>
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

Ted
Mon Jul 25 17:08:27 CDT 2005

> Longhorn is extinct, it's Windows Vista

They got the name from "Hasta La Vista".

"David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns969C56F2AC3D9drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> "Ted" <2000@xxxmsn.com> wrote in:
>
>> I bit Longhorn has bigger horns than xp and xp 64.
>
> Longhorn is extinct, it's Windows Vista now so as to continue the trend of
> silly names for operating systems from MSFT...
>
>
> --
> David R. Norton MVP
> <d_r_norton@yahoo.com>

David
Mon Jul 25 18:47:46 CDT 2005

"Ted" <2000@xxxmsn.com> wrote in:

>>Here's my Windows 95 story: I beta tested it from the first beta release,
>>it worked perfectly with my existing hardware (a 486 at the time, I
>>believe) and software.


> You were from the minority that had a compatible Bios.

I'd have to say I was the majority.

> I was in the WIN 95 MSN newsgroup in 1995, you were not.

Of course not. The discussions of Windows 95 at that time were primarily on
BBSs with the FIDO and RIME groups getting hundreds of posts a week. Your
experiences were atypical.

> There was no Microsoft Newsgroup then.

And?

> Diamond and ATI the only video card makers then, and neither
> had good drivers for Win 95.

I didn't have either, I was using an Oak Video card which worked just fine
with whatever drivers were built into the OS.


--
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