I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody here
go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know it
would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?

Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Aaron

Aaron
Sun May 14 20:40:43 CDT 2006

Me! :-p
I upgraded from 2 GB to 4 GB of RAM on my x64 system in January.
There was not a big speed increase, but I often run several VMs at once and
was running into problems with not having enough memory.

It depends what you are using your machine for. If you find yourself often
using more than 2 GB of memory (Performance tab of the Task Manager gives an
indication of how much you are using) then it might help, but I imagine you
are pretty busy with your machine if that is the case.

- Aaron

"Larry Hodges" <2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
news:76-dnWfUefqnUfrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know
> it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Aaron

Aaron
Sun May 14 21:22:51 CDT 2006

It's also worth noting that, depending on your motherboard, your system may
not recognize the full 4 GB. My system only sees 3.25 GB. (My board had a
warning about this in the instruction manual.)

I think there is a recent thread about this in this newsgroup, but I can't
seem to find it at the moment. Anyway, this has to do with the max
addressable memory of a 32-bit system being 4 GB, and other devices needing
addresses within that 4 GB space.

- Aaron

"Aaron Kelley" <a_kelley@baylor.edu> wrote in message
news:unYkVC8dGHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Me! :-p
> I upgraded from 2 GB to 4 GB of RAM on my x64 system in January.
> There was not a big speed increase, but I often run several VMs at once
> and was running into problems with not having enough memory.
>
> It depends what you are using your machine for. If you find yourself
> often using more than 2 GB of memory (Performance tab of the Task Manager
> gives an indication of how much you are using) then it might help, but I
> imagine you are pretty busy with your machine if that is the case.
>
> - Aaron
>
> "Larry Hodges" <2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
> news:76-dnWfUefqnUfrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know
>> it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>>
>
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Norman

Norman
Sun May 14 23:54:15 CDT 2006

In 32-bit Windows it would be a waste of money to go to 4GB but would be
reasonable to go to 3GB.

In x64 it is meaningful to go to 4GB. Unfortunately there are a lot of
motherboards that are marketed as being capable of 4GB but that really
aren't. Two exceptions are the ASUS SLI Deluxe which several people have
recommended, and Foxconn some model number with NVidia nForce 430 and 6150
chips where 4GB is working for me. I only need it for virtual machines but
I'd guess users of Autocad and a few other programs would benefit from it
too.

"Larry Hodges" <2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
news:76-dnWfUefqnUfrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know
> it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>


Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Charlie

Charlie
Mon May 15 00:55:16 CDT 2006

What are you doing on your machine? Are you currently RAM starved? An
ordinary machine, doing ordinary things? Probably no difference at all. (And
keep in mind what folks are saying about losing some of that RAM space to
mobo problems.)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64

Larry Hodges wrote:
> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know
> it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Larry

Larry
Mon May 15 02:31:07 CDT 2006

I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today is
1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.

I just wondered if the OS would preload certain items if it detected an
abundance of RAM. Which would speed things up of course, not having to call
them off the HD.


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:etE0kQ%23dGHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> What are you doing on your machine? Are you currently RAM starved? An
> ordinary machine, doing ordinary things? Probably no difference at all.
> (And keep in mind what folks are saying about losing some of that RAM
> space to mobo problems.)
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>
> Larry Hodges wrote:
>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I know
>> it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Larry

Larry
Mon May 15 02:41:11 CDT 2006

Mine sees up to 8gb:
http://abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec.php?categories=1&model=284

"Aaron Kelley" <a_kelley@baylor.edu> wrote in message
news:esXf4Z8dGHA.1856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> It's also worth noting that, depending on your motherboard, your system
> may not recognize the full 4 GB. My system only sees 3.25 GB. (My board
> had a warning about this in the instruction manual.)
>
> I think there is a recent thread about this in this newsgroup, but I can't
> seem to find it at the moment. Anyway, this has to do with the max
> addressable memory of a 32-bit system being 4 GB, and other devices
> needing addresses within that 4 GB space.
>
> - Aaron
>
> "Aaron Kelley" <a_kelley@baylor.edu> wrote in message
> news:unYkVC8dGHA.764@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Me! :-p
>> I upgraded from 2 GB to 4 GB of RAM on my x64 system in January.
>> There was not a big speed increase, but I often run several VMs at once
>> and was running into problems with not having enough memory.
>>
>> It depends what you are using your machine for. If you find yourself
>> often using more than 2 GB of memory (Performance tab of the Task Manager
>> gives an indication of how much you are using) then it might help, but I
>> imagine you are pretty busy with your machine if that is the case.
>>
>> - Aaron
>>
>> "Larry Hodges" <2larry2@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
>> news:76-dnWfUefqnUfrZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I
>>> know it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Charlie

Charlie
Mon May 15 09:31:53 CDT 2006

Well, to some extent it might. But a better way to go would be to invest in
one of these new "hybrid" drives, if absolute drive speed is an issue for
you. I expect to see them come down to reasonable levels in a year or two,
but right now they're not, really.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64

Larry Hodges wrote:
> I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today is
> 1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
> demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.
>
> I just wondered if the OS would preload certain items if it detected an
> abundance of RAM. Which would speed things up of course, not having to
> call them off the HD.
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:etE0kQ%23dGHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> What are you doing on your machine? Are you currently RAM starved? An
>> ordinary machine, doing ordinary things? Probably no difference at all.
>> (And keep in mind what folks are saying about losing some of that RAM
>> space to mobo problems.)
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I
>>> know it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Simon

Simon
Mon May 15 10:03:54 CDT 2006

By default on XP (32 bit or 64 bit) the system will not expand the system
cache (cache things accessed from disk) beyond a small size (10Mb on 32 bit
Windows not sure if it's different for x64) unless you enable System Cache
Mode, which uses all free memory as disk cache minus 4Mb.

By default on Server 2003 (32 bit or 64 bit) System Cache Mode is enabled.

A good article which explains how to do this and what it does is the aptly
titled 'Things to consider before you enable System cache mode in Windows
XP' here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895932

Caveat user - Your mileage may vary - I typically enable System Cache Mode
on systems with >1Gb RAM and have experienced generally positive results.
It's pretty dependant on your user profile, how many apps you run, and if
those apps share common DLLs/resources, which is generally true for servers.
Gaming may be a client type scenario which would benefit...

Try it out and let me know how you get on.

Cheers
Simon.

--
Simon Meacham, MCP MBCS
64 bit blog @ http://lxivdigiti.wordpress.com
For email: Remove ".nospam" from end of address.
______________________________________________


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
news:e0ovQxCeGHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well, to some extent it might. But a better way to go would be to invest
> in one of these new "hybrid" drives, if absolute drive speed is an issue
> for you. I expect to see them come down to reasonable levels in a year or
> two, but right now they're not, really.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>
> Larry Hodges wrote:
>> I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today
>> is
>> 1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
>> demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.
>>
>> I just wondered if the OS would preload certain items if it detected an
>> abundance of RAM. Which would speed things up of course, not having to
>> call them off the HD.
>>
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
>> news:etE0kQ%23dGHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> What are you doing on your machine? Are you currently RAM starved? An
>>> ordinary machine, doing ordinary things? Probably no difference at all.
>>> (And keep in mind what folks are saying about losing some of that RAM
>>> space to mobo problems.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>
>>> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>>>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I
>>>> know it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Larry

Larry
Mon May 15 16:57:24 CDT 2006

Thanks Simon. I did enable it based on your post, and we'll see if I can
notice a difference. I appreciate the input.

-Larry

"Simon Meacham" <simonmeacham@hotmail.co.uk.nospamplease> wrote in message
news:OeaAKDDeGHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> By default on XP (32 bit or 64 bit) the system will not expand the system
> cache (cache things accessed from disk) beyond a small size (10Mb on 32
> bit Windows not sure if it's different for x64) unless you enable System
> Cache Mode, which uses all free memory as disk cache minus 4Mb.
>
> By default on Server 2003 (32 bit or 64 bit) System Cache Mode is enabled.
>
> A good article which explains how to do this and what it does is the aptly
> titled 'Things to consider before you enable System cache mode in Windows
> XP' here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895932
>
> Caveat user - Your mileage may vary - I typically enable System Cache Mode
> on systems with >1Gb RAM and have experienced generally positive results.
> It's pretty dependant on your user profile, how many apps you run, and if
> those apps share common DLLs/resources, which is generally true for
> servers. Gaming may be a client type scenario which would benefit...
>
> Try it out and let me know how you get on.
>
> Cheers
> Simon.
>
> --
> Simon Meacham, MCP MBCS
> 64 bit blog @ http://lxivdigiti.wordpress.com
> For email: Remove ".nospam" from end of address.
> ______________________________________________
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message
> news:e0ovQxCeGHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Well, to some extent it might. But a better way to go would be to invest
>> in one of these new "hybrid" drives, if absolute drive speed is an issue
>> for you. I expect to see them come down to reasonable levels in a year or
>> two, but right now they're not, really.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>
>> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>> I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today
>>> is
>>> 1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
>>> demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.
>>>
>>> I just wondered if the OS would preload certain items if it detected an
>>> abundance of RAM. Which would speed things up of course, not having to
>>> call them off the HD.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:etE0kQ%23dGHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> What are you doing on your machine? Are you currently RAM starved? An
>>>> ordinary machine, doing ordinary things? Probably no difference at all.
>>>> (And keep in mind what folks are saying about losing some of that RAM
>>>> space to mobo problems.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://msmvps.com/xperts64
>>>>
>>>> Larry Hodges wrote:
>>>>> I'm currently running 2gb of Patriot ram stepping at 2-3-2-5. Anybody
>>>>> here go from 2gb to 4gb? If so, did you notice a speed increase? I
>>>>> know it would be a waste of money in XP, but I wonder about x64.....?
>>
>>
>
>



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Chuck

Chuck
Mon May 15 18:29:22 CDT 2006

>I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today is
>1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
>demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.

Unless the game is built with LARGEADDRESSAWARE or is a native 64-bit
application, it can't use more than 2 GB of RAM no matter how much RAM you
have in your box or which OS you are running. If you are running multiple
memory-demanding applications at once, then it would help.

--
Chuck Walbourn
SDE, Game Technology Group

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Charlie

Charlie
Mon May 15 19:42:35 CDT 2006

I'm curious - are you aware of any 32-bit games that are compiled with
LARGEMEMORYADDRESSAWARE? It would seem to me to be something that would not
generally help games, because of the constraints that it would impose on a
normal 32-bit OS.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64

Chuck Walbourn [MSFT] wrote:
>> I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today
>> is 1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
>> demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.
>
> Unless the game is built with LARGEADDRESSAWARE or is a native 64-bit
> application, it can't use more than 2 GB of RAM no matter how much RAM you
> have in your box or which OS you are running. If you are running multiple
> memory-demanding applications at once, then it would help.



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Chuck

Chuck
Mon May 15 20:17:55 CDT 2006

I doubt most game developers are even aware of LAW...

--
Chuck Walbourn
SDE, Game Technology Group

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.



Re: 2GB to 4GB? by Larry

Larry
Tue May 16 01:22:03 CDT 2006

"Chuck Walbourn [MSFT]" <chuckw@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:44690ece$1@news.microsoft.com...
> >I regularly have 1.5gb in use according to Task Manager. My Peak today
> >is 1678108k. But I very seldom go over 2gb. Mainly gaming is what is so
> >demanding. Quake4 pushes 2gb.
>
> Unless the game is built with LARGEADDRESSAWARE or is a native 64-bit
> application, it can't use more than 2 GB of RAM no matter how much RAM you
> have in your box or which OS you are running. If you are running multiple
> memory-demanding applications at once, then it would help.
>
> --
> Chuck Walbourn
> SDE, Game Technology Group
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.

Many of the new games (FarCry, HL2, FEAR), have 64 bit patches that add
texture detail, etc. HL2 claims an 84% performance increase IN ADDITION TO
enriched texture detail in the 64 bit version.

As far as LARGEADDRESSAWARE, I have no idea even what that is.